ARCH - What If

[Michael J. Harkness]

I aggre with you,
{Don) Sebastian Frobishire
Royal Huntsman of Ansteorra.

I have been playing this game for 16 years.
I have done the Heavy fighting, I am unable to.
So I pick up a bow and get right in there shoulder to sholder
with the line and shoot my bow in combat.How many did the shield men kill on
the other side 5 each if they were lucky. How many did I kill with my bow,
 20 , 30.
The SCA is a part of life for some, and a game to others. It fills a void in
still others. You have to look at the SCA as the person thinks. The people
in charge,well I think some of the life and time get to much in contorl of
their lives.
But mark this everytime I post something on any list I always get shot in
the foot by it.
I say open up and let some of the people in the circles. The ones that
excell at something. Every time a name is brought up someone that doesn't
like that person shoots his/her name down in flames. We have to stop the
personnel vandeta that Knights/Centurians put upon Archers. Hell make some
Masters of Arms if they will not let an Archer in the Knights Circle. Same
with the Centurians, light up.
Well I have shot off my fingers/mouth again.
Anyone want to take up a Bet?  That I get reamed out for this.

Lord Talon of Blackoak
Kings Archer
Sable Falcon (Combat ArcherY)
That is all Folks.
The above posting is not an offical statement form any person except the
writer.

Damn well said.  Thank you for doing so.

Don Sebastian Frobishire
Royal Huntsman of Ansteorra



> >  Old age is setting in -- I'm not sure what you are asking me.....
> > If you are saying that I'm presenting a case that archers should be
> > considered for Centurians - why yes, I am. I think they should be
because
> > archers are invalid in melee combat.  Of course I haven't read the
by-law,
> > laws, folkways or mores on what it takes to be a Centurians so I imagine
> > that I will probably get shot down in a minute gleefully by and archer.
> > Currently Centurians don't think that is a good idea.  They like
thinking
> > combat is only sticks being held in the hand and hit not thrown....
> > My personal take is combat is combat and should be judged by the
> > fighter and the weapon choice.
> > Of course, wait until you hear my opinions on art versus craft, art
> > versus science, etc. etc.
>
>
> I understand <<grin>>
>
> My point was an earlier argument was that Archery should be covered under
> the existing structure because target archery should be an art, and combat
> archery should be combat.   The fact that the Chivalric community
considers
> this as a completely separate art precludes it from being part of it.  It
> was for that reason the White Scarf was created for the rapier community.
> The fact that performance on the target archery field is not considered in
> Arts and Sciences competitions precludes it from involvement in that area.
>
> That being the case, it is difficult to not use rapier example for the
> archery area.  The parallels are the same. Consequently the only remaining
> argument is whether archery is as "main stream" as rapier was when the
White
> Scarf was introduced.   My opinion is that it is for these reasons:
>
> 1.  It requires it's own administrative structure, and that structure is
> already in place and has matured over the years  (the archery
marshallate).
>
> 2.  It requires it's own logistics at events and area duly separated and
> differentiated from other area  (they have their own archery field, list
> boundaries, archery targets, conventions on conduct, and
waterbearer/support
> personnel.  They also have their own social gatherings within their group
> with the "Archery Flight" pot-lucks sponsored at events).
>
> 3.  It has created it's own sub-culture within the SCA that many times
does
> not interact with other aspects of the game. They are their own defined
and
> recognizable group within the game. (Chivalric units camping together,
> Rapier combatants camping in the same area, Equestrians camping with their
> horses, Coursing people camping in the Kennel Lands, Archers camping near
> the target field).
>
> 4.  When it does interact with other subcultures within the SCA, it
impacts
> them in a sizeable manner. (It is such a telling force upon the
battlefield
> that it is usually limited to only certain scenarios in order to not
> infringe on the enjoyment of the Chivalric fighters).
>
> 5.  Involvement at SCA function is by a great enough number of people that
> they are readily identified by what they are doing.  (This usually isn't
two
> or three people shooting at a target butt on the other side of the trees).
>
> 6.  Finally, in Period, where it was not a venue for the Nobility (except
> for hunting), it was a documentable part of medieval society and was a
focus
> for much of history and pivotal battles.  Yet by its nature, was held
> separate in medieval society from everything else and seldom entered into
> the nobility of the Knightly class or Arts and Sciences of the time
(except
> in construction--which is not what we are discussing).
>
>
> Now many can draw parallels with other portions of the SCA that fulfill
many
> of these criteria.  My point is that Archery fulfills *all* of these, and
> has been doing so for many years.  Hence it is not only a distinct part of
> the SCA but a mature one as well.
>
> By saying that we don't need any more Grant level awards you purposely
limit
> your ability to change as society and people's perceptions change.  And
for
> what purpose, one less possible award given away at Court?  Can archery
fit
> in under any number of other areas?  Yes, if you are willing to place it
> there and  **change the perception of the entire populous to match yours.
> Even though most look at archery as something completely different than
> combat or Arts and Sciences.**  This is also despite the fact that
> historical documentation of the art and the SCA's societal dealing with
> archers does not support the idea of lumping them in with another area.
>
> Pet.
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