[Ansteorra-archery] Combat Archery training drills

Wilim Penbras wilim.penbras at pandora.org
Mon May 14 12:11:14 PDT 2001 

Sounds like something to play with at AOB.  It's a little late in the game to go changing any tourney formats for Warlord and I do think the format as designed will be a good relative guage of an Archer's skill.  It won't test/task all of the skills required to be effective on the melee field but still a good competition overall.  Honestly I imagine it would be a case of convincing that many fighteres to play props for the combat archers instead of competeing in the heavy tournaments.

Wilim
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Mike Catron <meggiddo at netzero.net>
Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:53:33 -0500

>Yes, this what both the Central Regional Warlord and I were discussing
>in the park on Sunday. How to involve both archers and fighters into a
>more real world scenario instead of shooting at static targets.
>
>Michael of the Fray
>
>Wilim Penbras wrote:
>>
>> You know I like the way that tournament idea is going.  I would also sugg=
>est that the archery have 5 fighters available on his side who could only b=
>e activated if the archer got within 10 feet of them.  These fighters would=
> act as protection for archer.  The archer would/could be judged on total k=
>ills minus total fighters they 'activated' to help them.  This would repres=
>ent pulling a fighter from other areas he could be working if the archer's =
>tactics/aim were better.
>>
>> If I go up and kill 5 fighters and then die on the sixth one, it would be=
> the same as another archer who went up and kill 6 fighters and died on the=
> seventh but had to pull a 'protector' from his place in the line.  Likewis=
>e if someone killed 10 but had the entire line of 5 protectors helping him =
>it would be about equal wouldn't it.
>>
>> That would include fighters and archers work with each other against a co=
>mmon foe.  That seems more like what we want to promote.
>>
>> Wilim
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: Mike Catron <meggiddo at netzero.net>
>> Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
>> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:15:47 -0500
>>
>> >I have question, which is - The fighter is a cut-out or something
>> >similar and not an actual fighter?
>> >
>> >If the answer is, Yes to the above question. If there are no real
>> >fighters involved in which the archer must survive then the scenario is
>> >extremely limited in scope and lacking in real world applications.
>> >
>> >I would suggest another scenario that our Central Region Warlord
>> >suggested to me at the joint Elfsea and Steppes practice Sunday at
>> >Randol Mills park.
>> >
>> >I wish to thank the Barony of Elfsea and HE Galen for hosting the
>> >practice there.
>> >
>> >
>> >If you wish to conduct such a Tournament then include 4 or 5 fighters
>> >with sword and shield, poles, ax and shield, etc... Space them out
>> >evenly across a wide field - which you should have at Warlord. Distance
>> >should roughly be 20 or 30 yards from the archer. Place the archer in
>> >the center.
>> >
>> >The archer must kill as many and/or all the fighters. The minimum
>> >distance that an archer can use their bow is 15 feet, anything shorter
>> >and the archer is disqualified.
>> >
>> >The fighters must remain at their location until the following occurs:
>> >
>> >The archer kills them, they walk off the field.
>> >
>> >An arrow flies within 10 feet of them, in which case they are now
>> >allowed to moved. In other words, they are now allowed to chase down the
>> >archer and kill the archer, if they can.
>> >
>> >The archer comes with 10 feet of them and thus freeing the fighter to
>> >move to give and/or join the chase to kill the archer.
>> >
>> >If the archer is not aware of the their placement or location on the
>> >field in relation to the fighters, then the scenario could be all the
>> >fighters are released by the archer who comes too close to them.
>> >
>> >This would demonstrate the necessary knowledge that a Combat Archer
>> >needs to survive on the battlefield. Then the title Combat Archer of
>> >Steppes from such a Tournament would actual means something in the world
>> >that a Combat Archer must fight in on the battlefield!
>> >
>> >Fighting at Gulf War in the open field battles demonstrated what is the
>> >normal for a lot of Combat Archers - meaning being run down by fighters.
>> >
>> >It would also provide an excellent means of training Combat Archers for
>> >action involving fighters.
>> >
>> >The above scenario should include both experience and brand new
>> >individuals to archery, plus the same type of mix for the fighters. In
>> >addition, getting fighters and archers working together in a training
>> >scenario. This would provide a true taste of combat for all involve.
>> >
>> >In the long run it should provide Combat Archers with some clue of what
>> >they can expect in future battles for the glory of Ansteorra!
>> >
>> >
>> >Michael of the Fray
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >ironwyrm at juno.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Both target and real archer, a contest of both cunning and skill!  The
>> >> archer will be required to not just kill his opponent but also defend =
>his
>> >> own static fighter target before limited arrows & time run out.
>> >>
>> >> It should be fast and furious, a hoot to watch as well as compete!
>> >>
>> >> Ironwyrm
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 11 May 2001 10:28:25 -0500 "Dewart, Charles R. --G3 Contractor
>> >> (Anteon Corp)" <Charles.Dewart at hood.army.mil> writes:
>> >> > OK, sounds good to me.  Unless there's a better idea, go ahead and
>> >> > talk to
>> >> > the event stewards.  I'll wait till to Announce till I hear from
>> >> > you.  It
>> >> > would be nice to be able to announce several right off the bat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now on this combat archer thing is that a real archer vs. archer or
>> >> > are we
>> >> > shooting at targets representing our opponents?
>> >> >
>> >> > Gilli
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: ironwyrm at juno.com [mailto:ironwyrm at juno.com]
>> >> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:24 AM
>> >> > To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Auction
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Gilli,
>> >> >
>> >> > Steppes Warlord is coming up on the 25th of May (Memorial Day
>> >> > Weekend),
>> >> > if this not too soon for you to put together an auction I belive I
>> >> > can
>> >> > clear it with the Autocrats.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Saturday morning at 11 AM there will be a Combat Archery
>> >> > Tournament
>> >> > held for the title of Combat Archer of the Steppes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since this is the first time this tournament has been held (as I
>> >> > know) we
>> >> > hope it will draw a good number of competitors to be the premier
>> >> > title
>> >> > holder.  It would also seem to be a good starting place to kick the
>> >> > auctions off.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your thoughts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Ironwyrm
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, 11 May 2001 09:51:50 -0500 "Dewart, Charles R. --G3
>> >> > Contractor
>> >> > (Anteon Corp)" <Charles.Dewart at hood.army.mil> writes:
>> >> > > Greetings and Hi There,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If there isn't a real good reason not to, I will post to the
>> >> > > announce list
>> >> > > about the silent auction to support compiling with the SEM's new
>> >> > > ruling.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The funds will be handled by me and not a SCA treasurer.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Funds collected but not needed for the refit will be donated to
>> >> > the
>> >> > > Kingdom
>> >> > > for the publication and distribution of a new Participants
>> >> > Handbook.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I will also ask at that time for combat archers to start
>> >> > registering
>> >> > > with
>> >> > > me, for lack of a better word, to get the refit assistance.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Anyone else have an upcoming event that we can start getting ready
>> >> > > for more
>> >> > > auctions?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well, Gilli, how much money we going to need?  Honestly, I don't
>> >> > > know.  But
>> >> > > I do know that if we wait till the dust has settled before we
>> >> > start
>> >> > > on it
>> >> > > that we'll be way behind the power curve.  But whatever we collect
>> >> > > that
>> >> > > isn't needed for the refit will do something else for the Kingdom
>> >> > > that it
>> >> > > needs; a win-win.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Gilli
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