[Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back at 2002

[David Ruff]

Welll then no-one has any right to complian that we
don't rank in the top 5, Can't out shoot better
equip'ed and more practiced shooters - ever, not to
mention that they have a better and more defined
ruleset. In my lone and humble opinion what i am
seeing is not a philiosohy thing - its more a
pyschological thing - and its beating a mule that
doesn't deserve it. Case in point and laid down before
you in many emails before mine -

1: More archers this year then last
2: We hold more titles in our area then last year
3: We have afew archers that play in our area that are
top ranked and in the top 15 SCA wide.
4: Archery as a whole in this area has grown LEAPS and
BOUNDS
5: there are more but you get the point.

As far as losing points with anyone - i am not here to
impress, i am here to play a game - yes a GAME. In
fact, why would i lose points with those that think
practice is boring? a very simple fact of life
dictates without practice you can not master. And that
statement coming from a master really has me
wondering. I have not seen ONE email that stated
"practice is boring" and i certainly invite those
people who i lose points with to email me - privately
if they like -, and blast me hard. I suspect i will
not get one email - why? becuase this is not about
practice - us archers are doing what we can, and doing
what we feel comfortable with. Some better then
others, some more committed then others and NONE
better then the other.

Wouldn't you - instead of what you are doing - rather
plea for people to practice. Set forth ideas, drills
and skillsets to become better. Perhaps fight to set
the "playing field" level so we as a whole can compete
on the same terms and within the same level of play.
Isn't that what a master does?. I recognize your 14+
years in the game and i respect you for it, you and
afew others are what i look upto as a, "rising and
upcoming" archer. I have exactly 9 months in the SCA
as an active archer, 9 months behind a crossbow -
thats it - i am wet behind the ears. I am sorry Gilli,
my friend and fellow archer - but change the rules,
don't complain about them. Coach the team - don't
light em up. You will get a lot better results with
suger and guidance, then you will with vinagar and
bagering.

By the way - you got me wondering on the term archer

Main Entry: ar·cher
Pronunciation: 'är-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Late
Latin arcarius, alteration of arcuarius, from
arcuarius of a bow, from Latin arcus bow -- more at
ARROW
Date: 14th century
1 : a person who uses a bow and arrow
2 capitalized : SAGITTARIUS


Respectfully,


Ulrich of Carolingia



--- Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> It's not a political thing.  It's a philosophy
> thing.
>
> And in the 14+ years I've been doing the IKAC /
> IKCAC I've learned a few
> things about my opponents out there.
>
> Great item 4!!  However, having said that I'm
> affraid you've lost points wih
> the folks who think practice is boring.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Ruff" <dmruff1 at yahoo.com>
> To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back at 2002
>
>
> > Wow, i am totally surprised at this bickering
> between
> > people that are supposed to support eachother on
> and
> > off the battle field. I RARELY get involved in
> these
> > types of discussions, i am not a polictical person
> and
> > rather just stay away from it. But damn gentalmen
> -
> > you guys are being down right nasty to eachother.
> >
> > It is of my opinion that titles really don't mean
> > anything - infact, i hold more then afew in the
> SCA, I
> > think i am in the top fifteen IKAC scores in the
> SCA
> > in my division. I hold a 230 open crossbow score
> and a
> > 211'ish period crossbow score in the IKAC. I shot
> a
> > 102 high in the RR scoring with a average of
> 96'ish
> > for this year. I am un-deafeated at Canton site
> for
> > this year, and lost 2 of all the events i shot in.
> One
> > of those "losses" set a new Kingdom record for
> this
> > year in IKAC/open crossbow. I hold 4 defender
> archery
> > titles in 3 baronies, 1 shire and 1 Order of the
> Rose,
> > and one other win that i do not think was a
> defender.
> >
> > Enough of the "patting self on back" what's the
> point
> > in that?
> >
> > I am not part of the Arcus Majoris, i do not hold
> a
> > kings archer tassle, i am not AoA'ed - thats all
> gravy
> > to be earned later down the road ***IF*** it is
> ment
> > to be. I rarely sign with my titles, and WHILE I
> AM
> > VERY proud of my titles and achievments i have
> earned
> > while ***first and foremost having FUN*** - titles
> and
> > achievments ****DO NOT**** make the person -
> actions
> > do, both on and OFF the field. Thats what chivalry
> is
> > all about - or so i solidly believe. Is it not the
> > fun, that brought us all together anyways?
> >
> > I see discussions of scores and ranks, guys, just
> once
> > have you studied the "competition" or the "enemy",
> i
> > mean dive in and study?. I know the East coast
> very
> > well, and while i know the whole knownworld is
> being
> > discussed i know the east is at the top. I used to
> > shoot semi professional archery on the east coast,
> i
> > also taught level 2 oylimpic style shooting to
> kids
> > and young adults for afew years. I know the
> shooters
> > there - both in and out of the SCA.
> >
> > 1: The east coast has indoor ranges that would
> make
> > basspro look like a mom and pop shop. Out to 60
> yards
> > indoors. Indoor hunting 3D video shooting, target
> > shooting ect ect. All indoors, all open 5 to 7
> days a
> > week, climate controlled, no rain and some even
> have
> > some pretty darn good bar and grills in em.
> >
> > 2: From a crossbow standpoint - the rules are
> totally
> > different. They shoot target crossbows pulling 85
> to
> > 150 pounds. They are allowed front and rear
> sights.
> > They shoot a target bolt that while has to be wood
> and
> > feather like us, are not like anything i have seen
> to
> > date here. I have afew, and they fly like no
> tomorrow.
> > 99% of the crossbow shooters can shoot instictive
> -
> > aka - from the hip at 20 yards and hit atleast a
> red
> > ring every time in the speed round. In fact thats
> > where they will lose points cuz you can count on
> them
> > hitting gold at 30 and 40 5 of 6 times - every
> time.
> > Instictive shooting on the 20 is something i am
> only
> > learning and it works - 8 bolts in 30 seconds is
> not
> > something taken lightly on a crossbow.
> >
> > 3: From a bow standpoint, MOST - not all, but most
> bow
> > shooters there are hunters. They practice 2 to 7
> times
> > a week for afew hours a day. Thier arrows rival
> > professional arrow making skills. Most of the bows
> are
> > tweeked and all of them are very dedicated to one
> > thing - X'ing the target everytime. From there
> hunting
> > experiances - they know distance recognition and
> know
> > what the bow can do. They shoot perfect form and
> they
> > do not play games when they do it. In the speed
> round
> > you can count on 9 to 11 arrows off and in a
> scoring
> > area - bar none.... To my knowledge, or atleast
> when i
> > was there - there was no combat archery.
> >
> > 4: Practice Practice Practice. You can not get
> better
> > unless you are out there shooting live arrows,
> there
> > is no other way. You should be out there at-least
> > everyother day, shooting a royal, paying attention
> to
> > how you are shooting, video taping it is a plus.
> 20
> > arrows in that practice should be with your eyes
> > closed to learn form!!.... On the off range days
> you
> > should be closing your eyes in your living room
> and
> > running drills on breathing, focusing on your
> > heartbeat and seeing the perfect shot.
> >
> > No less then that will ever bring you into the
> 230+
> > IKAC score and/or a 90+ RR score on a regular
> basis -
> > bar maybe special training or an extremely lucky
> day,
> > its just not gonna happen.
> >
> > In closing it seems to me to compare what we do
> here
> > with ANY other kingdom is like comparing apples
> and
> > oranges. Different rules will produce diffent
> results.
> > Lack of practice NOT competitions or wars will
> keep
> > "good" scores and war points from being posted and
> > earned. What is a "good" score anyways?. To me its
> not
> > about the score or that i hold this level or that
> > title. For me, its going out there and having a
> good
> > time with fellow human beings that share the same
> love
> > i hold dear to my heart. Its the thrill of being
> > scared to death in EVERY final round i have had
> the
> > honor of being allowed in. It's shooting against
> ALL
> > archers, no matter skill or level. Study is key,
> > practice makes perfect, and i do not think ANY of
> us -
> > can say we are as dedicated as the 230+ shooters
> out
> > there. Worry not what the other person is doing,
> worry
> > about what **YOU** are doing, everything else will
> > work itself out. Only a level playing field and
> > practice will ever allow any of us to complain we
> do
> > not rank like they do or win the war points all
> the
> > time like they do...........
> >
> >
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Ulrich of Carolingia
> >
> >
> > --- Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> > > You're right about one thing.  It's in the
> heart.
> > > Now just find where that
> > > is located.  And that heart IS on the range and
> the
> > > field of combat for this
> > > Kingdom.
> > >
> > > I'd be surprized if a third of them are still
> > > active.
> > >
> > > But on the other hand, all those who do have a
> score
> > > in the IKAC or IKCAC
> > > have a King's Archer or have been spoken of to
> soon
> > > get one.  Wonder why
> > > that is???
> > >
> > > Gilli, Primer King's Archer, Primer Arcus
> Majoris..
> > > and holder or more 1st,
> > > 2nd and 3rd place IKAC and IKCAC scores, both
> > > Kingdom and Society level,
> > > than I can remember, just since you wnat to use
> > > titles.  Those and a $1.00
> > > will buy me a Coke where I work.
> > > Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit
> something.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Wilim Penbras ap Gurgeneu"
> > > <wilim.penbras at pandora.org>
> > > To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back at
> 2002
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gilli,
> > > >     You're wrong.  You apparently have no idea
> > > what so ever what it is to
> > > be
> > > > an Archer.  I've called you a friend before.
> I'd
> > > like to still do that.
> > > > It'll certainly be easier than calling you an
> > > Archer.  If you shoot simply
> > > > for recognition and trying to climb on the
> "World
> > > Stage" then you may be
> > > an
> > > > archer, but you'll have a hard time convincing
> me
> > > you're an Archer.
> > > >
> > > > Folks,  please, take just about everything
> Gilli
> > > says with a grain of
> > > salt.
> > > > If you stand on the line in the heat of the
> sun.
> > > Pull strings until your
> > > > fingers are sore...   then you might just be
> an
> > > Archer.  I have no idea
> > > what
> > > > distinguishes an Archer from just an archer
> but I
> > > know it's not concentric
> > > > circles or a desire for world wide
> recognition.
> > > There are about 3 dozen
> > > > Kings Archers in this Kingdoms.  I'd be
> surprised
> > > if a third of them care
> > > > what our ranking in the IKAC/IKCAC are.
> > > >
> > > > Don't let Gilli convince you he can show you
> where
> > > the Kings' Archers
> > > grow.
> > > > They Grow in your heart and in your soul not
> on
> > > the Range.  You have to
> > > > sprinkle a bit of Competition work on, like
> > > fertilizer, but it doesn't
> > > have
> > > > to be Gilli's particular brand of
> fertilizer...
> > > errr, competition.
> > > >
> > > > Lord Wilim Penbras ap Gurgeneu, Esq.
> > > > Submitter of one Wintershoot Score, Three IKAC
> > > scores, Zero IKCAC Scores
> > > and
> > > > a Kings' Archer
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
> > > > To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back
> at
> > > 2002
> > > >
> > > >
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