[Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back at 2002

Wed Dec 4 05:33:35 PST 2002

It's not a political thing.  It's a philosophy thing.

And in the 14+ years I've been doing the IKAC / IKCAC I've learned a few
things about my opponents out there.

Great item 4!!  However, having said that I'm affraid you've lost points wih
the folks who think practice is boring.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ruff" <dmruff1 at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back at 2002

> Wow, i am totally surprised at this bickering between
> people that are supposed to support eachother on and
> off the battle field. I RARELY get involved in these
> types of discussions, i am not a polictical person and
> rather just stay away from it. But damn gentalmen -
> you guys are being down right nasty to eachother.
>
> It is of my opinion that titles really don't mean
> anything - infact, i hold more then afew in the SCA, I
> think i am in the top fifteen IKAC scores in the SCA
> in my division. I hold a 230 open crossbow score and a
> 211'ish period crossbow score in the IKAC. I shot a
> 102 high in the RR scoring with a average of 96'ish
> for this year. I am un-deafeated at Canton site for
> this year, and lost 2 of all the events i shot in. One
> of those "losses" set a new Kingdom record for this
> year in IKAC/open crossbow. I hold 4 defender archery
> titles in 3 baronies, 1 shire and 1 Order of the Rose,
> and one other win that i do not think was a defender.
>
> Enough of the "patting self on back" what's the point
> in that?
>
> I am not part of the Arcus Majoris, i do not hold a
> kings archer tassle, i am not AoA'ed - thats all gravy
> to be earned later down the road ***IF*** it is ment
> to be. I rarely sign with my titles, and WHILE I AM
> VERY proud of my titles and achievments i have earned
> while ***first and foremost having FUN*** - titles and
> achievments ****DO NOT**** make the person - actions
> do, both on and OFF the field. Thats what chivalry is
> all about - or so i solidly believe. Is it not the
> fun, that brought us all together anyways?
>
> I see discussions of scores and ranks, guys, just once
> have you studied the "competition" or the "enemy", i
> mean dive in and study?. I know the East coast very
> well, and while i know the whole knownworld is being
> discussed i know the east is at the top. I used to
> shoot semi professional archery on the east coast, i
> also taught level 2 oylimpic style shooting to kids
> and young adults for afew years. I know the shooters
> there - both in and out of the SCA.
>
> 1: The east coast has indoor ranges that would make
> basspro look like a mom and pop shop. Out to 60 yards
> indoors. Indoor hunting 3D video shooting, target
> shooting ect ect. All indoors, all open 5 to 7 days a
> week, climate controlled, no rain and some even have
> some pretty darn good bar and grills in em.
>
> 2: From a crossbow standpoint - the rules are totally
> different. They shoot target crossbows pulling 85 to
> 150 pounds. They are allowed front and rear sights.
> They shoot a target bolt that while has to be wood and
> feather like us, are not like anything i have seen to
> date here. I have afew, and they fly like no tomorrow.
> 99% of the crossbow shooters can shoot instictive -
> aka - from the hip at 20 yards and hit atleast a red
> ring every time in the speed round. In fact thats
> where they will lose points cuz you can count on them
> hitting gold at 30 and 40 5 of 6 times - every time.
> Instictive shooting on the 20 is something i am only
> learning and it works - 8 bolts in 30 seconds is not
> something taken lightly on a crossbow.
>
> 3: From a bow standpoint, MOST - not all, but most bow
> shooters there are hunters. They practice 2 to 7 times
> a week for afew hours a day. Thier arrows rival
> professional arrow making skills. Most of the bows are
> tweeked and all of them are very dedicated to one
> thing - X'ing the target everytime. From there hunting
> experiances - they know distance recognition and know
> what the bow can do. They shoot perfect form and they
> do not play games when they do it. In the speed round
> you can count on 9 to 11 arrows off and in a scoring
> area - bar none.... To my knowledge, or atleast when i
> was there - there was no combat archery.
>
> 4: Practice Practice Practice. You can not get better
> unless you are out there shooting live arrows, there
> is no other way. You should be out there at-least
> everyother day, shooting a royal, paying attention to
> how you are shooting, video taping it is a plus. 20
> arrows in that practice should be with your eyes
> closed to learn form!!.... On the off range days you
> should be closing your eyes in your living room and
> running drills on breathing, focusing on your
> heartbeat and seeing the perfect shot.
>
> No less then that will ever bring you into the 230+
> IKAC score and/or a 90+ RR score on a regular basis -
> bar maybe special training or an extremely lucky day,
> its just not gonna happen.
>
> In closing it seems to me to compare what we do here
> with ANY other kingdom is like comparing apples and
> oranges. Different rules will produce diffent results.
> Lack of practice NOT competitions or wars will keep
> "good" scores and war points from being posted and
> earned. What is a "good" score anyways?. To me its not
> about the score or that i hold this level or that
> title. For me, its going out there and having a good
> time with fellow human beings that share the same love
> i hold dear to my heart. Its the thrill of being
> scared to death in EVERY final round i have had the
> honor of being allowed in. It's shooting against ALL
> archers, no matter skill or level. Study is key,
> practice makes perfect, and i do not think ANY of us -
> can say we are as dedicated as the 230+ shooters out
> there. Worry not what the other person is doing, worry
> about what **YOU** are doing, everything else will
> work itself out. Only a level playing field and
> practice will ever allow any of us to complain we do
> not rank like they do or win the war points all the
> time like they do...........
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Ulrich of Carolingia
>
>
> --- Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> > You're right about one thing.  It's in the heart.
> > Now just find where that
> > is located.  And that heart IS on the range and the
> > field of combat for this
> > Kingdom.
> >
> > I'd be surprized if a third of them are still
> > active.
> >
> > But on the other hand, all those who do have a score
> > in the IKAC or IKCAC
> > have a King's Archer or have been spoken of to soon
> > get one.  Wonder why
> > that is???
> >
> > Gilli, Primer King's Archer, Primer Arcus Majoris..
> > and holder or more 1st,
> > 2nd and 3rd place IKAC and IKCAC scores, both
> > Kingdom and Society level,
> > than I can remember, just since you wnat to use
> > titles.  Those and a $1.00
> > will buy me a Coke where I work.
> > Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wilim Penbras ap Gurgeneu"
> > <wilim.penbras at pandora.org>
> > To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back at 2002
> >
> >
> > > Gilli,
> > >     You're wrong.  You apparently have no idea
> > what so ever what it is to
> > be
> > > an Archer.  I've called you a friend before.  I'd
> > like to still do that.
> > > It'll certainly be easier than calling you an
> > Archer.  If you shoot simply
> > > for recognition and trying to climb on the "World
> > Stage" then you may be
> > an
> > > archer, but you'll have a hard time convincing me
> > you're an Archer.
> > >
> > > Folks,  please, take just about everything Gilli
> > says with a grain of
> > salt.
> > > If you stand on the line in the heat of the sun.
> > Pull strings until your
> > > fingers are sore...   then you might just be an
> > Archer.  I have no idea
> > what
> > > distinguishes an Archer from just an archer but I
> > know it's not concentric
> > > circles or a desire for world wide recognition.
> > There are about 3 dozen
> > > Kings Archers in this Kingdoms.  I'd be surprised
> > if a third of them care
> > > what our ranking in the IKAC/IKCAC are.
> > >
> > > Don't let Gilli convince you he can show you where
> > the Kings' Archers
> > grow.
> > > They Grow in your heart and in your soul not on
> > the Range.  You have to
> > > sprinkle a bit of Competition work on, like
> > fertilizer, but it doesn't
> > have
> > > to be Gilli's particular brand of fertilizer...
> > errr, competition.
> > >
> > > Lord Wilim Penbras ap Gurgeneu, Esq.
> > > Submitter of one Wintershoot Score, Three IKAC
> > scores, Zero IKCAC Scores
> > and
> > > a Kings' Archer
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
> > > To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] A Look Back at
> > 2002
> > >
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