[Ansteorra-archery] Combat arrows & bolts for Gulf War:

Thu Feb 28 11:52:21 PST 2002

Thanks Wilim,

Being a pain is what you do best and I wouldn't have it any other way!

Yes I belive that's correct only the GT APD's have to be completely
covered in strapping tape.

Have you submitted the "heat-rolled" GT APD design to HL Tessa the
Huntress, the Society Combat Archery Marshal for approval?

(Don't feel bad I'm not slighting the design, which I happen to think is
a very good one, I did not take the time to try to explain the "nockless"
combat arrow either due to the time we have left before Gulf, and the
"nockless" has already been submitted to the SCAM and approved, just not
posted to the list.)

I'm only working with what has been currently approved and posted to the
list to lessen the confusion at this late date and fully expect to take
up this debate again during and after Gulf.  For now let's just check and
make sure the combat arrows we have will pass when we get to Gulf.

In service,

Ironwyrm

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:52:57 -0500 "Wilim Penbras"
<wilim.penbras at pandora.org> writes:
> I'm just going to be a pain here but someone please correct me.  Only
> the Ansteorran GT APD requires the APD to be completely covered in
> Strapping tape.  There is at least on other design with Heat rolled
> edges on the APD that doesn't require the entire thing be covered in
> strapping tape.  The Heat rolled edges take significantly more work
> to make but they are perfectly legal.  I won't debate which is a
> better design as they both have advantages and disadvantages.
>
> Wilim
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: ironwyrm at juno.com
> Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:08:08 -0600
>
> >Greetings into the Combat Archers of Ansteorra,
> >
> >At Lindenwood's Border War HL Fearghus & I found many of the combat
> >arrows & bolts brought to that event to use at the war practice did
> not
> >comply with the standards set for the approved combat arrow/bolts
> for
> >Gulf War.
> >
> >If your combat arrows/bolts do not meet these standards you will
> not be
> >allowed to use them at Gulf.  Save yourself the grief of arriving
> on site
> >only to be told your combat arrows/bolts cannot be used and having
> to
> >spend hours redoing them to get onto the field.
> >
> >Please recheck your combat arrow/bolts now to make sure they all
> comply
> >to the APD designs listed below.  If you are still unsure contact
> your
> >local archery marshal, if you can't reach them contact your central
> >regional archery marshal, if still unsuccessful please contact HL
> >Fearghus, HL Gilli, or myself directly or via the
> >ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org for assistance.
> >
> >CHECK THESE AREAS:
> >
> >Please pay particular attention to the nock area, the nock or shaft
> >cannot stick out more than one-half inch beyond the back of the
> APD.
> >This is where we found the most problems.
> >
> >Next tapeing the GT APD's, all GT APD combat arrow/bolt's GT APD
> must be
> >completely covered by strapping tape.
> >
> >Tapeing shafts, All wood shafts must be taped the length of the
> shaft
> >with strapping tape.  All fiberglass shafts must be taped the
> length of
> >the shaft with electrical tape.
> >
> >All combat arrow/bolt heads must be additional secured to the shaft
> by at
> >least one length of strapping tape around the head to the shaft,
> and the
> >ends taped around the shaft itself to secure the strap tape.
> >
> >All combat arrows/bolts at Gulf must be labeled with the owner's
> name and
> >kingdom.  Anyone caught using unlabeled combat arrows/bolts will be
> sent
> >to the Marshal's Court.
> >
> >And last, double check the diameter of the head of the combat
> >arrow/bolts.  Marklands, modified marklands, & UHMW's, all can be
> no less
> >than one and one quarter inch across.
> >
> >
> >Commanders please take heed and have your unit's combat archers
> double
> >check all their combat missiles now so any problems may be found
> and
> >corrected here and not at Gulf!
> >
> >Let's make sure all our combat archers attending Gulf get on the
> field
> >and no one is left sitting on the sidelines over an equipment
> problem.
> >
> >In Service to the Kingdom,
> >
> >Ironwyrm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "TLW" <tessathehuntress at earthlink.net>
> >To: <SCA-MissileCombat at yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:11 AM
> >Subject: [SCA-MissileCombat] New APD approvals
> >
> >
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Here is the list of new APD's that have been approved for Society
> use:
> >>
> >> I.  75 psi (minimum OD must be larger than 1.25") Siloflex APD
> approved
> >for
> >> arrows and bolts, wood and fiberglass
> >>
> >> II. 80 psi (minimum OD 1 3/16"  ID 1 1/16") Siloflex APD approved
> for
> >arrows
> >> and bolts, wood and fiberglass
> >>
> >> The minimum length for the top of the APD is 5/8".  The APD must
> be cut
> >at
> >> an angle for the front edge (not the edge near the nock), a
> maximum
> >angle
> >of
> >> 45% from the plane of the arrow. The edges of the Siloflex must
> be
> >rounded
> >> or sanded, so there are no sharp edges to cut skin. You must use
> >strapping
> >> tape to attach these APD's.
> >>
> >> III. 200 Psi Siloflex APD approved for use on fiberglass (only)
> arrows
> >or
> >> bolts.
> >>
> >> You must use either an external tab or internal tab and/or routed
> >channel.
> >> The minimum length for the top of the APD is 5/8".  The APD must
> be cut
> >at
> >> an angle for the front edge (not the edge near the nock), a
> maximum
> >angle
> >of
> >> 45% from the plane of the arrow. The edges of the Siloflex must
> be
> >rounded
> >> or sanded, so there are no sharp edges to cut skin. Minimum ID of
> the
> >> Siloflex is 1", Minimum outer diameter is 1.25"
> >>
> >> IV. "The Ansteorran" golf tube APD approved for arrows and bolts,
> wood
> >and
> >> fiberglass
> >>
> >> Minimum length of 1.25" for the top of the APD. The APD must be
> cut at
> >an
> >> angle for the front edge (not the edge near the nock), a maximum
> angle
> >of
> >> 45% from the plane of the arrow. Trim up front and rear portions
> of the
> >APD,
> >> so they are no sharp edges. * The front and rear edges must be
> >completely
> >> covered in strapping tape(no other tape allowed). The APD is
> attached
> >using
> >> strapping tape.
> >> Refer to this website for construction tips:
> >> http://Middleford.ansteorra.org/APD_Construction.htm
> >>
> >> V. The Meridian golf tube APD approved for arrows and bolts, wood
> and
> >> fiberglass.
> >>
> >> The golf tube must be a minimum of 1.25" inches long.  The top
> and the
> >> bottom of this APD are the same length. * The front and rear
> edges must
> >be
> >> completely covered in strapping tape(no other tape allowed). The
> APD is
> >> attached using strapping tape.
> >>
> >> Refer to this website for construction tips, *please note this
> >difference,
> >> caulk is not part of the passed design.  So do not put caulk
> around the
> >> APD.*
> >>
> >> http://www.hawkshaven.com/sca/archery/apd/gtapd.html
> >>
> >> If anyone has any questions or would like more details, please
> let me
> >know.
> >> If anything is confusing, please contact me ASAP, so I can fix
> the
> >wording.
> >>
> >> I would like to thank all of the people who have worked so hard
> on
> >creating
> >> and testing new APD designs.  Especially the people responsible
> for the
> >> APD's above, Jaime Tiampo, Sir Jon, Master Thorvald, THL Gilbert
> Ost
> >> Westley, THL Seamus Corrigan, their helpers and everyone else
> involved
> >in
> >> this ongoing project.
> >>
> >> THL Tessa the Huntress, Society Combat Archer Marshal
> >> tessathehuntress at earthlink.net
> >>
> >
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