[Ansteorra-archery] Combat arrows & bolts for Gulf War:

Thu Feb 28 14:23:38 PST 2002

A quick look for those that want instructions on the rolled edge APD.  It's approved for Fibreglass and Wooden Shafted arrows and bolts.

Wilim

http://www.newberry.edu/rgaddy/arrow_testing_web_page.htm

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: ironwyrm at juno.com
Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:03:04 -0600

>Cool, I just don't think I've actually seen one yet, or just lost it in
>the shuffle.  Don't forget to bring your data on it to the meeting after
>the archer's battles at Gulf.
>
>Wil
>
>On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:35:18 -0500 "Wilim Penbras"
><wilim.penbras at pandora.org> writes:
>> The Rolled Edge GT APD was one of the First designs approved last
>> July.  Works Great.  Less Filling. <G>  Actually if you care about
>> wieght on your arrows the Heat Rolled Edge is lighter as it uses
>> significantly less tape.  A Piece of Tape through the GT, split at
>> each end and wrapped around the Shaft then more tape around the GT
>> and the shaft through the vertical axis to hold it in place.
>>
>> The Tape through the tube avoids the APD sliding up and down the
>> shaft and the tape around the tube avoids the apd shifting left and
>> right.  Gilli's design is good and I'm sure I'll move to it to speed
>> things up as war approaches but I got used to the rolled edge when I
>> needed an approved APD for our Defender shoot.
>>
>> Wilim
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: ironwyrm at juno.com
>> Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
>> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:52:21 -0600
>>
>> >Thanks Wilim,
>> >
>> >Being a pain is what you do best and I wouldn't have it any other
>> way!
>> >
>> >Yes I belive that's correct only the GT APD's have to be completely
>> >covered in strapping tape.
>> >
>> >Have you submitted the "heat-rolled" GT APD design to HL Tessa the
>> >Huntress, the Society Combat Archery Marshal for approval?
>> >
>> >(Don't feel bad I'm not slighting the design, which I happen to
>> think is
>> >a very good one, I did not take the time to try to explain the
>> "nockless"
>> >combat arrow either due to the time we have left before Gulf, and
>> the
>> >"nockless" has already been submitted to the SCAM and approved,
>> just not
>> >posted to the list.)
>> >
>> >I'm only working with what has been currently approved and posted
>> to the
>> >list to lessen the confusion at this late date and fully expect to
>> take
>> >up this debate again during and after Gulf.  For now let's just
>> check and
>> >make sure the combat arrows we have will pass when we get to Gulf.
>> >
>> >In service,
>> >
>> >Ironwyrm
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:52:57 -0500 "Wilim Penbras"
>> ><wilim.penbras at pandora.org> writes:
>> >> I'm just going to be a pain here but someone please correct me.
>> Only
>> >> the Ansteorran GT APD requires the APD to be completely covered
>> in
>> >> Strapping tape.  There is at least on other design with Heat
>> rolled
>> >> edges on the APD that doesn't require the entire thing be covered
>> in
>> >> strapping tape.  The Heat rolled edges take significantly more
>> work
>> >> to make but they are perfectly legal.  I won't debate which is a
>> >> better design as they both have advantages and disadvantages.
>> >>
>> >> Wilim
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> >> From: ironwyrm at juno.com
>> >> Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
>> >> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:08:08 -0600
>> >>
>> >> >Greetings into the Combat Archers of Ansteorra,
>> >> >
>> >> >At Lindenwood's Border War HL Fearghus & I found many of the
>> combat
>> >> >arrows & bolts brought to that event to use at the war practice
>> did
>> >> not
>> >> >comply with the standards set for the approved combat
>> arrow/bolts
>> >> for
>> >> >Gulf War.
>> >> >
>> >> >If your combat arrows/bolts do not meet these standards you will
>> >> not be
>> >> >allowed to use them at Gulf.  Save yourself the grief of
>> arriving
>> >> on site
>> >> >only to be told your combat arrows/bolts cannot be used and
>> having
>> >> to
>> >> >spend hours redoing them to get onto the field.
>> >> >
>> >> >Please recheck your combat arrow/bolts now to make sure they all
>> >> comply
>> >> >to the APD designs listed below.  If you are still unsure
>> contact
>> >> your
>> >> >local archery marshal, if you can't reach them contact your
>> central
>> >> >regional archery marshal, if still unsuccessful please contact
>> HL
>> >> >Fearghus, HL Gilli, or myself directly or via the
>> >> >ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org for assistance.
>> >> >
>> >> >CHECK THESE AREAS:
>> >> >
>> >> >Please pay particular attention to the nock area, the nock or
>> shaft
>> >> >cannot stick out more than one-half inch beyond the back of the
>> >> APD.
>> >> >This is where we found the most problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >Next tapeing the GT APD's, all GT APD combat arrow/bolt's GT APD
>> >> must be
>> >> >completely covered by strapping tape.
>> >> >
>> >> >Tapeing shafts, All wood shafts must be taped the length of the
>> >> shaft
>> >> >with strapping tape.  All fiberglass shafts must be taped the
>> >> length of
>> >> >the shaft with electrical tape.
>> >> >
>> >> >All combat arrow/bolt heads must be additional secured to the
>> shaft
>> >> by at
>> >> >least one length of strapping tape around the head to the shaft,
>> >> and the
>> >> >ends taped around the shaft itself to secure the strap tape.
>> >> >
>> >> >All combat arrows/bolts at Gulf must be labeled with the owner's
>> >> name and
>> >> >kingdom.  Anyone caught using unlabeled combat arrows/bolts will
>> be
>> >> sent
>> >> >to the Marshal's Court.
>> >> >
>> >> >And last, double check the diameter of the head of the combat
>> >> >arrow/bolts.  Marklands, modified marklands, & UHMW's, all can
>> be
>> >> no less
>> >> >than one and one quarter inch across.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Commanders please take heed and have your unit's combat archers
>> >> double
>> >> >check all their combat missiles now so any problems may be found
>> >> and
>> >> >corrected here and not at Gulf!
>> >> >
>> >> >Let's make sure all our combat archers attending Gulf get on the
>> >> field
>> >> >and no one is left sitting on the sidelines over an equipment
>> >> problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >In Service to the Kingdom,
>> >> >
>> >> >Ironwyrm
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "TLW" <tessathehuntress at earthlink.net>
>> >> >To: <SCA-MissileCombat at yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:11 AM
>> >> >Subject: [SCA-MissileCombat] New APD approvals
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Greetings,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here is the list of new APD's that have been approved for
>> Society
>> >> use:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I.  75 psi (minimum OD must be larger than 1.25") Siloflex APD
>> >> approved
>> >> >for
>> >> >> arrows and bolts, wood and fiberglass
>> >> >>
>> >> >> II. 80 psi (minimum OD 1 3/16"  ID 1 1/16") Siloflex APD
>> approved
>> >> for
>> >> >arrows
>> >> >> and bolts, wood and fiberglass
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The minimum length for the top of the APD is 5/8".  The APD
>> must
>> >> be cut
>> >> >at
>> >> >> an angle for the front edge (not the edge near the nock), a
>> >> maximum
>> >> >angle
>> >> >of
>> >> >> 45% from the plane of the arrow. The edges of the Siloflex
>> must
>> >> be
>> >> >rounded
>> >> >> or sanded, so there are no sharp edges to cut skin. You must
>> use
>> >> >strapping
>> >> >> tape to attach these APD's.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> III. 200 Psi Siloflex APD approved for use on fiberglass
>> (only)
>> >> arrows
>> >> >or
>> >> >> bolts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You must use either an external tab or internal tab and/or
>> routed
>> >> >channel.
>> >> >> The minimum length for the top of the APD is 5/8".  The APD
>> must
>> >> be cut
>> >> >at
>> >> >> an angle for the front edge (not the edge near the nock), a
>> >> maximum
>> >> >angle
>> >> >of
>> >> >> 45% from the plane of the arrow. The edges of the Siloflex
>> must
>> >> be
>> >> >rounded
>> >> >> or sanded, so there are no sharp edges to cut skin. Minimum ID
>> of
>> >> the
>> >> >> Siloflex is 1", Minimum outer diameter is 1.25"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> IV. "The Ansteorran" golf tube APD approved for arrows and
>> bolts,
>> >> wood
>> >> >and
>> >> >> fiberglass
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Minimum length of 1.25" for the top of the APD. The APD must
>> be
>> >> cut at
>> >> >an
>> >> >> angle for the front edge (not the edge near the nock), a
>> maximum
>> >> angle
>> >> >of
>> >> >> 45% from the plane of the arrow. Trim up front and rear
>> portions
>> >> of the
>> >> >APD,
>> >> >> so they are no sharp edges. * The front and rear edges must be
>> >> >completely
>> >> >> covered in strapping tape(no other tape allowed). The APD is
>> >> attached
>> >> >using
>> >> >> strapping tape.
>> >> >> Refer to this website for construction tips:
>> >> >> http://Middleford.ansteorra.org/APD_Construction.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> V. The Meridian golf tube APD approved for arrows and bolts,
>> wood
>> >> and
>> >> >> fiberglass.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The golf tube must be a minimum of 1.25" inches long.  The top
>> >> and the
>> >> >> bottom of this APD are the same length. * The front and rear
>> >> edges must
>> >> >be
>> >> >> completely covered in strapping tape(no other tape allowed).
>> The
>> >> APD is
>> >> >> attached using strapping tape.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Refer to this website for construction tips, *please note this
>> >> >difference,
>> >> >> caulk is not part of the passed design.  So do not put caulk
>> >> around the
>> >> >> APD.*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.hawkshaven.com/sca/archery/apd/gtapd.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If anyone has any questions or would like more details, please
>> >> let me
>> >> >know.
>> >> >> If anything is confusing, please contact me ASAP, so I can fix
>> >> the
>> >> >wording.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would like to thank all of the people who have worked so
>> hard
>> >> on
>> >> >creating
>> >> >> and testing new APD designs.  Especially the people
>> responsible
>> >> for the
>> >> >> APD's above, Jaime Tiampo, Sir Jon, Master Thorvald, THL
>> Gilbert
>> >> Ost
>> >> >> Westley, THL Seamus Corrigan, their helpers and everyone else
>> >> involved
>> >> >in
>> >> >> this ongoing project.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> THL Tessa the Huntress, Society Combat Archer Marshal
>> >> >> tessathehuntress at earthlink.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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