[Ansteorra-archery] The Fray... (was signal flags)

Wed May 29 09:37:00 PDT 2002

Some years ago, I once heard one of our Kingdom's great legends say during
an event at Ravensfort, that units that have trained together should stay
and fight together.  That legend was Duke Inman.

I totally agree.  Those units that have trained regularly together must stay
and fight together.  They will form the back bone of an army.

The archers of the Fray, or any trained unit, are the fire support of that
unit.  Your primary mission should be to provide fire support for that unit
by utilizing the target list and any special instructions given by the unit
Commander.

However, should you receive a visit form the overall Commander or one of his
representatives it is because your area of the battlefield has become a
pivotal point in the battle.  So unless he has a water battle in his hand,
he's probably there to direct your fires.

So I guess the main question should be, who should be able to direct the
fire of a units archers?  Well, obviously that particular unit Commander.
And I think the overall Commander should be able to do it also.  But who
else?  Please bear in mind that I believe this should only happen if
absolutely necessary.

This type of procedural thing would be a good thing to be covered in an SOP.

Also, please folks, bear in mind, that this is some what of a philsophiscal
discussion that will hopefully lead to a better use of combat archers and
units that have combat archers.  I think the over all goal here is to
improve the Kingdom's ability to win.

Gilli

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Catron [mailto:meggiddo at netzero.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:08 AM
To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] The Fray... (was signal flags)

If you want to know about mercenary units, then ask Ironwyrm, he
established his household as a mercenary household of archers back in
late 1999 or early 2000. He stated that he was leading a household
mercenaries during the Commanders' meeting prior to this year's Gulf
Wars XI.

The Fray is a warband of equals that have functions that require
individuals to step forward to fill those offices. When that function is
no longer required, then the individual steps down until needed to step
forward again to complete the requirements of that fucntion.

And the Fray is NOT a bunch of heros...we train together as a unit and
go to War as a unit and fight as a unit. Our officers do attend
Ansteorra Commanders Meetings for orders as well as taking an active
part in planning tacties which includes the last two Gulf Wars.

You have seen the e-mails from Ld Carlos by now, he did a excellent job
of answering your questions. I will add some additional information as
well.

One member of the Fray is a Knight of Ansteorra as well as being one of
her former Kings prior to joining the Fray. Four members of the Fray
have served as Royal Entourage to one of the past Kings and Queens of
Ansteorra, plus being squired to that King. In addition, other members
have also served as part of that Royal Entourage when asked during their
reign. One member was head cook for a past Steppes 12th night, with the
Fray assisting with the cooking. There are other members who have become
squired or man-at-arms, including one to a third past King of Ansteorra
as well.

This does not include the awards, for both fighting and non-fighting,
the members of the Fray has received, not only from Ansteorra but also
outside of Ansteorra, including one of Ansteorra's allies - Calontir.

I will stop now, since Frayman Carlos and I have just scratch the
surface on the various functions/awards that the Fray has performed. I
do not wish to bore this list.

If you are making a threat about killing mercenary units...then take it
up with Ironwyrm and his mercenary household of archers!

Michael of the Fray

Remember, we are always outnumbered!

Pug Bainter wrote:
>
> Michael of the Fray said something that sounded like:
> > When I take the field with Fray, I have already received my main
> > instructions, with secondary options - all based upon the fluid actions
> > of the forces in play on the field.
> >
> > Therefore, I will not seek nor even bother to look at flags nor will I
> > support such a effort nor will I instruct other archers that are either
> > in the Fray or supporting the Fray to do so!
>
> Good Morning,
>
>   I've been thinking about your words all day and I think that I have a
>   couple questions.
>
>   Is the Fray a mercenary household or part of the Ansteorran Army?
>
>   If a merc unit, how do they get paid, what is the bidding process
>   and restrictions on their command once the Fray is merc'ed out? This
>   is professional curiousity being part of a mercenary household.
>
>   If part of the Ansteorran Army why won't your unit listen to the
>   orders of the commanders of the Ansteorran Army? That seems to imply
>   that you are a bunch of "heros" and not part of the army in my
>   opinion. This has gotten units killed by their own men in the past.
>
>   If you don't feel like answering the questions, I will gladly talk
>   with the commander who is able to answer them.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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> Dark Horde Moritu      |   They forgot the warranty"
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