[Ansteorra-archery] The Fray... (was signal flags)

[Pug Bainter]

Good Morning,

  To help keep the number of messages down, I'll reply to both of your
  messages at once.

> Yes he can be one of the commanders for a battle, we all can. But, has for
> now the listed commaneders are has followed Dux, Vix, Frenchy, Crystol, Sir
> Maude(Sp) and Finn.

  I must have misunderstood what the following tag line meant then:

----
Michael of the Fray
Combat Archer for the Fray
Fray Archer commander (since 2000)
Greater Fyrd
----

  That lead me to believe that he was the commander of the archers for the
  Fray. I'm sorry that I misunderstood what that meant.

> We have fire team leaders also when we are broke up he
> going through the line. When this happens we will not be in spot to look for
> flags.

  Of course not.

> The question that comes to mind for me is, do you
> want your unit to pulled apart because half the unit is doing one thing and
> the other half another. This way that we follow is to keep the unit together
> and on the same page.
[...]
> I like working with other archiers and following the same plans
> to aim our fire, but unit orders come first then kingdom orders this way we
> act has one. I hope I'm making sense for you.

  While your unit may be acting as one, the Kingdom is not. I agree that
  the archers should not abandon the troups to be slaughtered, but
  completely ignoring the Kingdom commands is not acceptable either if you
  wish to be part of the Ansteorran Army.

> what we are saying also, is if flags are decided on. Is that we have people
> to watch for them and people that is watching the enemy the people we have
> that will do this is our commanders and with spearman help when covered. Our
> archiers are the eyes to watch the enemy. Just a different system doing the
> same thing.

  I'm sorry. That is not at all what I read him saying in the following:

>> > When I take the field with Fray, I have already received my main
>> > instructions, with secondary options - all based upon the fluid actions
>> > of the forces in play on the field.
>> >
>> > Therefore, I will not seek nor even bother to look at flags nor will I
>> > support such a effort nor will I instruct other archers that are either
>> > in the Fray or supporting the Fray to do so!

  As I read that, he and the Fray will not listen to anyone except the
  Fray commanders no matter what the the General of the Armies or the
  Commander of the Archers tries to tell them. This tells me that the
  Fray are not a unit of the Ansteorran army, but a rogue unit on the
  field that does what they want. They just happen to be fighting on the
  same side as Ansteorra at this time.

  You have stated similar things in your message above where you stated
  that your archers will not leave the unit nor do anything but follow
  the Fray plans exclusively.

Ciao,

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