[Ansteorra-archery] Red Pheons, Non-Cotact, etc.

[Eadric Anstapa]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>
> Who measures the 10 feet?
>
> Gilli


And that of course is the other frequent source of argument.  Something
like:

Sir Sword:        "Your DEAD!  I  was within 10 ft of you!"

Lord Yeoman:  "AM NOT!  You were at least 12 ft away!"

No clear answer but if the archer argues too much then all archers are
liable to get a bad rap and lose in the long run.   If it was close and the
opponent clearly thought that he was within 10 ft then I think  it's best to
not argue and just die and walk off the field or go to res point.  If the
guy clearly never came close then.... Its a judgment call that the
individual will have to make.

This is actually why I like "Touch Kill" as an alternate form of Non-Contact
participation,  With a simply touch all of the argument ends.  Either you
were touched or you were not.  Dead or not. (Oh yes we can argue that also
but not as easily).

I just don't like scenarios with rules like "All Archers are Touch Kill".  I
think it is dangerous when said archers are not also required to be marked
with Red Pheons, and I think it takes away the choice from the fighter you
might want to perhaps take a only a couple of dozen arrows to the battle,
use them up, and then switch to sword and board to get in there and mix it
up.


Regards,

Lord Eadric Anstapa
Kingdom Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
eadric at scabrewer.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Red Pheons, Non-Cotact, etc.


> Who measures the 10 feet?
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eadric Anstapa" <eadric at scabrewer.com>
> To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:26 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Red Pheons, Non-Cotact, etc.
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Catron" <meggiddo at netzero.net>
> > >
> > > Either you are a non-contact or light archer, then you must wear red
> > > pheons. By wearing the red pheons on your helm, any unopposed fighter
> > > who gets within 10 feet of you and you are dead!
> >
> > >
> > > The other choice you have is to be a heavy contact archer, meaning you
> > > have two choices - you take the hit or if you have the opportunity you
> > > can yield just like any heavy fighter!
> > >
> >
> > Actually once again ALMOST correct.
> >
> > There is no such thing as a "light" archer in Ansteorra.  All of our
> archers
> > are "Heavy" archers meaning that we are fully armored regardless of our
> > level of contact.  "Light" participants are people who are not wearing
> full
> > SCA legal armor.
> >
> > In Ansteorra we have Full-Contact and Non-Contact participants on the
> field
> > but they are all fully armored or "Heavy".
> >
> > Non-Contact Combatants wear Red Pheons.  In Ansteorra these combatants
are
> > dead when an enemy is within 10 ft of them but that fighter does not
have
> to
> > be unopposed.   As long as the enemy is within 10 ft of a Non-Contact
> > participant they are dead even if the opponents are engaged with someone
> > else.  There are some kingdoms that said the enemy had to be unopposed,
or
> > unobstructed, etc.  but those have largely slipped to the wayside
because
> it
> > caused too  many arguments about what exactly "opposed"  or "obstructed"
> > meant.  Don't bend the rules.  If an enemy is within 10 ft of you and
you
> > have a Red Pheon on your helm you are dead regardless of who is between
> you
> > and the enemy.
> >
> > "The overriding consideration for any Non-Contact participant is
personal
> > safety." (quoted from our handbook)
> >
> > Non-contact participants should strive to stay out of harms way.  If
they
> > are
> > within 10 ft of an enemy then they are likely in harms way or could be
> > before they had time to react.
> >
> > It is also worthwhile to remember that in other kingdoms different rules
> > apply.  Some kingdoms are Non-Contact = Dead at 10 ft.   Other Kingdoms
> are
> > Touch Kill, some might choose to be 15 ft.    Our own handbook kinda
> leaves
> > things open for the use of something like "Touch Kill" if we wanted to
> when
> > it says:
> >
> > "Any Combat Activity that allows Armored Non-Contact participants upon
the
> > Field shall have a briefing from the Marshals prior to the start. All
> > Combatants must be informed about the presence of Armored Non-Contact
> > participants and about how those Armored Non-Contact participants may be
> > neutralized/captured."
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Lord Eadric Anstapa
> > Kingdom Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
> > eadric at scabrewer.com