[Ansteorra-archery] Red Pheons, Non-Cotact, etc.

[Richard Threlkeld]

>
> This is actually why I like "Touch Kill" as an alternate form of
> Non-Contact
> participation,  With a simply touch all of the argument ends.  Either you
> were touched or you were not.  Dead or not. (Oh yes we can argue that also
> but not as easily).
>
> I just don't like scenarios with rules like "All Archers are
> Touch Kill".  I
> think it is dangerous when said archers are not also required to be marked
> with Red Pheons, and I think it takes away the choice from the fighter you
> might want to perhaps take a only a couple of dozen arrows to the battle,
> use them up, and then switch to sword and board to get in there and mix it
> up.

This is especially bad when touching an archer is deemed different than
touching anyone else. In a "all archers are touch kill" (I am not a white
diamond or red pheon) I was hit by an arrow on a gauntlet. The War MIC
ruled I was dead. Chivalric fighters hit in the hand were told "the hand
is not a valid target, so it does not count". So only archers were killable
by being hit in the hand by an arrow. Garghhhhh. But I did not argue. The
Marshal is always right - at least on the field.

Caelin
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Lord Eadric Anstapa
> Kingdom Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
> eadric at scabrewer.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
> To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Red Pheons, Non-Cotact, etc.
>
>
> > Who measures the 10 feet?
> >
> > Gilli
> > Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eadric Anstapa" <eadric at scabrewer.com>
> > To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:26 PM
> > Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Red Pheons, Non-Cotact, etc.
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mike Catron" <meggiddo at netzero.net>
> > > >
> > > > Either you are a non-contact or light archer, then you must wear red
> > > > pheons. By wearing the red pheons on your helm, any
> unopposed fighter
> > > > who gets within 10 feet of you and you are dead!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The other choice you have is to be a heavy contact archer,
> meaning you
> > > > have two choices - you take the hit or if you have the
> opportunity you
> > > > can yield just like any heavy fighter!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually once again ALMOST correct.
> > >
> > > There is no such thing as a "light" archer in Ansteorra.  All of our
> > archers
> > > are "Heavy" archers meaning that we are fully armored
> regardless of our
> > > level of contact.  "Light" participants are people who are not wearing
> > full
> > > SCA legal armor.
> > >
> > > In Ansteorra we have Full-Contact and Non-Contact participants on the
> > field
> > > but they are all fully armored or "Heavy".
> > >
> > > Non-Contact Combatants wear Red Pheons.  In Ansteorra these combatants
> are
> > > dead when an enemy is within 10 ft of them but that fighter does not
> have
> > to
> > > be unopposed.   As long as the enemy is within 10 ft of a Non-Contact
> > > participant they are dead even if the opponents are engaged
> with someone
> > > else.  There are some kingdoms that said the enemy had to be
> unopposed,
> or
> > > unobstructed, etc.  but those have largely slipped to the wayside
> because
> > it
> > > caused too  many arguments about what exactly "opposed"  or
> "obstructed"
> > > meant.  Don't bend the rules.  If an enemy is within 10 ft of you and
> you
> > > have a Red Pheon on your helm you are dead regardless of who
> is between
> > you
> > > and the enemy.
> > >
> > > "The overriding consideration for any Non-Contact participant is
> personal
> > > safety." (quoted from our handbook)
> > >
> > > Non-contact participants should strive to stay out of harms way.  If
> they
> > > are
> > > within 10 ft of an enemy then they are likely in harms way or could be
> > > before they had time to react.
> > >
> > > It is also worthwhile to remember that in other kingdoms
> different rules
> > > apply.  Some kingdoms are Non-Contact = Dead at 10 ft.
> Other Kingdoms
> > are
> > > Touch Kill, some might choose to be 15 ft.    Our own handbook kinda
> > leaves
> > > things open for the use of something like "Touch Kill" if we wanted to
> > when
> > > it says:
> > >
> > > "Any Combat Activity that allows Armored Non-Contact participants upon
> the
> > > Field shall have a briefing from the Marshals prior to the start. All
> > > Combatants must be informed about the presence of Armored Non-Contact
> > > participants and about how those Armored Non-Contact
> participants may be
> > > neutralized/captured."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Lord Eadric Anstapa
> > > Kingdom Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
> > > eadric at scabrewer.com
>
>
>
>
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