[Ansteorra-archery] Re: Correct APD Size

meggiddo at netzero.net meggiddo at netzero.net
Sat Mar 8 14:56:43 PST 2003 

Thanks for the update on how many a golf tubes are in a case. Was not
sure on that number for a case, I do not even attempt to use that figure
(50 to a case).

Number that I was working from was the 500 bolts that you stated that
you built for Ballista this line is more for Willim, which would yield
500 times 10 = 5,000 APD's or 500 times 15 = 7,500 APD's.

Also, Thank You for recognizing the point that I was attempting to make,
which I will also reword in simpler terms.

Unless you and/or a group of friends who are serious about building Golf
Tube APD's - meaning building several hundred or into the thousands -
then purchasing 5 to 10 individuaL golf tubes will provide the
individual with more than enough APD's to fit to combat arrows for the
average battle. Non-res battle that is!


Michael Fray
Unit Combat Archer for the Condottieri
King's Archer



Richard Threlkeld wrote:
>
> Your math is OK, but a case is about 50 golf tubes
> so a case would be about 500 to 750 APDs.
>
> Caelin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ansteorra-archery-admin at ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-admin at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
> > meggiddo at netzero.net
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Re: Correct APD Size
> >
> >
> > Need to clear up something for anyone who is new to this
> > "Game" and is interested in becoming a Combat Archer as
> > oppose to a ballista operator.
> >
> > In your example that you cited, what it means is that 1 Golf
> > Tube equals 1 ballista bolt, this item is for ballista
> > machines and not for a Combat Archer.
> >
> > Now it could also mean 1 Golf Tube would equal 1 Golf Tube
> > Arrow - but that is a whole different kettle of arrows. Golf
> > Tube arrows could be used here in Ansteorra if all is agree
> > to allowing them either by themselves or mixed with the other
> > two types of arrows (wood and fiberglass). For the most part,
> > the three different types of shafts are not allowed to be
> > mixed on the battlefield in Ansteorra as a general rule. On
> > the other hand, at Gulf Wars and other other of Kingdom
> > (Ansteorra) war events the mixing is allowed.
> >
> > The only advantage that a Golf Tube arrow has is that it can
> > be "gleaned" from the battlefield during the battle be
> > re-used without being reinspected first.
> >
> > Wood and Fiberglass shaft arrows CAN NOT BE GLEANED NOR
> > REUSED without being inspect between battles.
> >
> > Note - wood is a waste of time and money due to the high
> > breakage issue that exists on a battlefield. So, would
> > recommend just going to fiberglass shafts and stay away from the wood.
> >
> > In the case of a angle Golf Tube APD for Combat Arrows:
> >
> > 1 Golf Tube equals 10 to 15 Golf Tube APD's. Depends upon how
> > they are cut and then "smooth" out (i.e., removing the rough
> > edges both from the leading and trailing edges). So doing the
> > math, using the number that you submitted will yield between
> > 5,000 to 7,500 APD's.
> >
> > Now if you are attempting to mass produce angle Golf Tube
> > APD's, then I can see someone wanting to do lots or whole
> > cases and save by buying wholesale. If on the other hand, if
> > anyone is like I am - then I only buy small amounts at a
> > time, cut up what I need for new builds and/or repairs, plus
> > always keep a small number as back-up. Example - 10 Golf
> > Tubes will yield between 100 to 150 Golf Tube APD's. (I am
> > very critical when I am building combat arrows!)
> >
> > The cost that I pay is an average of 69 cents a tube, did
> > once get them on sale for 49 cents sometime ago though. Had
> > not seen them at that price since though.
> >
> > If on the other hand, several individuals want to go together
> > and buy whole cases - then go ahead. Just be aware of just
> > how many Golf Tube APD's will yield out of one case. Hope
> > there is enough storage room for all of them.
> >
> >
> > Michael Fray
> > Unit Combat Archer for the Condottieri
> > King's Archer
> >
> >
> > Richard Threlkeld wrote:
> > >
> > > I buy from Apple Sports in case lots. I set up that
> > > account when we were making 500+ ballista bolts
> > > last year. I don't have time to look up the prices
> > > before Gulf War, but they were the best I could
> > > find at the time and they are wholesale.
> > >
> > > In service,
> > > Caelin on Andrede
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ansteorra-archery-admin at ansteorra.org
> > > > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-admin at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > meggiddo at netzero.net
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:14 PM
> > > > To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Re: Correct APD Size
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello, Michael here.
> > > >
> > > > I will cover a couple of things that might or might not be of
> > > > interest to everyone.
> > > >
> > > > On to Ld Eadric Anstapa question on, where I get my Golf Tubes?
> > > >
> > > > I get my golf tubes from Walmart and I get the jumbo size, just
> > > > because I can get my thumb inside of it and to ensure a minimum
> > > > diameter of 1.25 inches. I also take a small ruler and
> > measure these
> > > > Golf Tubes prior to buying as well.
> > > >
> > > > I will be at Gulf Wars this year, arriving Monday sometime. If
> > > > anyone wants to see how I build Golf Tube APDs, look for the
> > > > Condottieri camp. Plans are to mark the location on the
> > site map for
> > > > several others who will be joining us later in the week.
> > > >
> > > > After Gulf Wars is over, I can be found in North Dallas, City of
> > > > Carrollton's park - Mary Heads Carter park. Usually from
> > 2 PM until
> > > > sunset on Sunday afternoons. Then some events - usually
> > War events
> > > > or those that will have War practice(s) and combat archery.
> > > >
> > > > The construction that I use for a Golf Tube APD is what
> > was called
> > > > "The Ansteorran" or now by Society "The Angle Cut Golf Tube APD".
> > > >
> > > > Go to:
> > > > http://middleford.ansterroa.org/APD_Construction.htm
> > > >
> > > > Which Ld Gilli and others developed and I assisted in battlefield
> > > > testing back in 2001. This will provide you with the base idea. I
> > > > use more tape than what is shown on the above web site.
> > > >
> > > > I prefer using Golf Tube APD's my choice, just as it is Ld Eadric
> > > > Anstapa, who prefers Siloflex. No big deal - each to
> > their own. Both
> > > > types are approved.
> > > >
> > > > Received word on SCA approved name - Submitted "Michael
> > of the Fray"
> > > > and I did allow for minor changes. Heard back from the
> > Heralds and
> > > > the name is -
> > > >
> > > > "Michael Fray".
> > > >
> > > > So I will be answering to "Michael Fray" from now on.
> > > >
> > > > Unit that I support as combat archer is the
> > "Condottieri", no longer
> > > > with the "Fray".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael Fray
> > > > Unit Combat Archer for the Condottieri
> > > > King's Archer
> > > > CA Authorization Marshal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eadric Anstapa wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > > > --
> > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > Greetings Jorunn,
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, lets see if I can answer you questions with some short
> > > > and sweet
> > > > > answers that will hopefully assure that your APDs will pass
> > > > > inspection.
> > > > >
> > > > > Size of the Golf Tube.
> > > > >     It must be a minimum of 1.25" in diameter.  Many people
> > > > seem to prefer the
> > > > >     "Jumbo" golf tubes which are a bit larger in diameter
> > > > and it allows them to get
> > > > >      a thumb in them for nocking.
> > > > >
> > > > >     The length of the Golf Tube must also be cut to a
> > > > minimum length of 1.25".
> > > > >     The may be square-cut or angled cut on the front end of
> > > > the tube.  If angled
> > > > >      then the shortest side should be 1.25" in diameter.
> > > > >
> > > > > The APD should be mounted no farther than and 0.5" from the
> > > > very nock
> > > > > end of the arrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > The APD must be held very securely in place with fiberglass
> > > > strapping
> > > > > tape.  This strapping tape must run both around and through
> > > > the tube.
> > > > > I can take a lot of tape to get it right and secure.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone out there is really interested in Golf Tube APDs
> > > > they need
> > > > > to talk to Michael of the Fray. (knock, knock, Michael are
> > > > you there?)
> > > > > I think he does about the best job of any golf tube APDs
> > > > that I have
> > > > > inspected.  He can tell you where he gets his Jumbo tubes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally, this Kingdom Archery Marshal doesn't like golf
> > > > tube APDs.
> > > > > I would prefer that whenever possible people use
> > Siloflex or the
> > > > > commercial Asgard APD.
> > > > >
> > > > > When making Siloflex APDs I prefer the square-cut
> > routed channel
> > > > > design made of 160 PSI siloflex.  I prefer this design for
> > > > the simple
> > > > > reason that it is the most rugged and secure of the
> > > > homemade designs
> > > > > that I have encountered.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand that there are times when it might be necessary to
> > > > > use Golf Tubes such as on wooden shafts (but I would also
> > > > prefer that we
> > > > > not make any new wooden shafted combat arrows) or when a person
> > > > > doesn't have tools necessary to cut the siloflex.  In those
> > > > cases just
> > > > > take the time to get it right.  Thank you for asking to
> > > > make sure that
> > > > > you get it right.
> > > > >
> > > > > The most complete place to go for APD information is
> > > > http://www.combat-archery.com   This is the site of the
> > > > Society Combat Archery Marshal and is linked to from the
> > > > Manuals/Reference page and the Links page at
> > > > http://archery.ansteorra.org.  A direct link > to the
> > Golf Tube APD
> > > > page  on that site is
> > http://www.combat-archery.com/gtapd.htm  That
> > > > > page is the definitive page regarding what is required of Golf
> > > > Tube APDs
> > > > >
> > > > > Any questions come see us at inspection point at war or
> > > > find me in the
> > > > > Coastal Region / Gates Edge encampment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Lord Eadric Anstapa
> > > > > Kingdom Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
> > > > > eadric at scabrewer.com
> > > > >
> > > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >   From: Dwherplvr2 at aol.com
> > > > >   To: eadric at scabrewer.com
> > > > >   Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:53 AM
> > > > >   Subject: Correct APD Size
> > > > >
> > > > >   Greetings Lord Eadric,
> > > > >
> > > > >   I have a couple of quick questions on APD's.  What is the
> > > > > correct size of the golf tube APD and what is the correct way to
> > > > attach them
> > > > > to the fiberglass shaft?  I've shown a couple of the ones
> > > > I've made to
> > > > > Baron Ulf but he's not familiar with the specifics on
> > them so he
> > > > > wasn't sure what to tell me.  And, with Gulf Wars just
> > a few days
> > > > > away, I'm afraid I didn't make them correctly.  I've got a
> > > > couple of
> > > > > pics I could send but they're not the greatest quality.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Thank you for all your help.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Jorunn Gunnardottir
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
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