[Ansteorra-archery] Re: Correct APD Size

Fri Mar 7 19:53:20 PST 2003

Need to clear up something for anyone who is new to this "Game" and is
interested in becoming a Combat Archer as oppose to a ballista operator.

In your example that you cited, what it means is that 1 Golf Tube equals
1 ballista bolt, this item is for ballista machines and not for a Combat
Archer.

Now it could also mean 1 Golf Tube would equal 1 Golf Tube Arrow - but
that is a whole different kettle of arrows. Golf Tube arrows could be
used here in Ansteorra if all is agree to allowing them either by
themselves or mixed with the other two types of arrows (wood and
fiberglass). For the most part, the three different types of shafts are
not allowed to be mixed on the battlefield in Ansteorra as a general
rule. On the other hand, at Gulf Wars and other other of Kingdom
(Ansteorra) war events the mixing is allowed.

The only advantage that a Golf Tube arrow has is that it can be
"gleaned" from the battlefield during the battle be re-used without
being reinspected first.

Wood and Fiberglass shaft arrows CAN NOT BE GLEANED NOR REUSED without
being inspect between battles.

Note - wood is a waste of time and money due to the high breakage issue
that exists on a battlefield. So, would recommend just going to
fiberglass shafts and stay away from the wood.

In the case of a angle Golf Tube APD for Combat Arrows:

1 Golf Tube equals 10 to 15 Golf Tube APD's. Depends upon how they are
cut and then "smooth" out (i.e., removing the rough edges both from the
leading and trailing edges). So doing the math, using the number that
you submitted will yield between 5,000 to 7,500 APD's.

Now if you are attempting to mass produce angle Golf Tube APD's, then I
can see someone wanting to do lots or whole cases and save by buying
wholesale. If on the other hand, if anyone is like I am - then I only
buy small amounts at a time, cut up what I need for new builds and/or
repairs, plus always keep a small number as back-up. Example - 10 Golf
Tubes will yield between 100 to 150 Golf Tube APD's. (I am very critical
when I am building combat arrows!)

The cost that I pay is an average of 69 cents a tube, did once get them
on sale for 49 cents sometime ago though. Had not seen them at that
price since though.

If on the other hand, several individuals want to go together and buy
whole cases - then go ahead. Just be aware of just how many Golf Tube
APD's will yield out of one case. Hope there is enough storage room for
all of them.

Michael Fray
Unit Combat Archer for the Condottieri
King's Archer

Richard Threlkeld wrote:
>
> I buy from Apple Sports in case lots. I set up that
> account when we were making 500+ ballista bolts
> last year. I don't have time to look up the prices
> before Gulf War, but they were the best I could
> find at the time and they are wholesale.
>
> In service,
> Caelin on Andrede
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ansteorra-archery-admin at ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-admin at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
> > meggiddo at netzero.net
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:14 PM
> > To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Re: Correct APD Size
> >
> >
> > Hello, Michael here.
> >
> > I will cover a couple of things that might or might not be of
> > interest to everyone.
> >
> > On to Ld Eadric Anstapa question on, where I get my Golf Tubes?
> >
> > I get my golf tubes from Walmart and I get the jumbo size,
> > just because I can get my thumb inside of it and to ensure a
> > minimum diameter of 1.25 inches. I also take a small ruler
> > and measure these Golf Tubes prior to buying as well.
> >
> > I will be at Gulf Wars this year, arriving Monday sometime.
> > If anyone wants to see how I build Golf Tube APDs, look for
> > the Condottieri camp. Plans are to mark the location on the
> > site map for several others who will be joining us later in the week.
> >
> > After Gulf Wars is over, I can be found in North Dallas, City
> > of Carrollton's park - Mary Heads Carter park. Usually from 2
> > PM until sunset on Sunday afternoons. Then some events -
> > usually War events or those that will have War practice(s)
> > and combat archery.
> >
> > The construction that I use for a Golf Tube APD is what was
> > called "The Ansteorran" or now by Society "The Angle Cut Golf
> > Tube APD".
> >
> > Go to:
> > http://middleford.ansterroa.org/APD_Construction.htm
> >
> > Which Ld Gilli and others developed and I assisted in
> > battlefield testing back in 2001. This will provide you with
> > the base idea. I use more tape than what is shown on the
> > above web site.
> >
> > I prefer using Golf Tube APD's my choice, just as it is Ld
> > Eadric Anstapa, who prefers Siloflex. No big deal - each to
> > their own. Both types are approved.
> >
> > Received word on SCA approved name - Submitted "Michael of
> > the Fray" and I did allow for minor changes. Heard back from
> > the Heralds and the name is -
> >
> > "Michael Fray".
> >
> > So I will be answering to "Michael Fray" from now on.
> >
> > Unit that I support as combat archer is the "Condottieri", no
> > longer with the "Fray".
> >
> >
> > Michael Fray
> > Unit Combat Archer for the Condottieri
> > King's Archer
> > CA Authorization Marshal
> >
> >
> >
> > Eadric Anstapa wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > Greetings Jorunn,
> > >
> > > OK, lets see if I can answer you questions with some short
> > and sweet
> > > answers that will hopefully assure that your APDs will pass
> > > inspection.
> > >
> > > Size of the Golf Tube.
> > >     It must be a minimum of 1.25" in diameter.  Many people
> > seem to prefer the
> > >     "Jumbo" golf tubes which are a bit larger in diameter
> > and it allows them to get
> > >      a thumb in them for nocking.
> > >
> > >     The length of the Golf Tube must also be cut to a
> > minimum length of 1.25".
> > >     The may be square-cut or angled cut on the front end of
> > the tube.  If angled
> > >      then the shortest side should be 1.25" in diameter.
> > >
> > > The APD should be mounted no farther than and 0.5" from the
> > very nock
> > > end of the arrow.
> > >
> > > The APD must be held very securely in place with fiberglass
> > strapping
> > > tape.  This strapping tape must run both around and through
> > the tube.
> > > I can take a lot of tape to get it right and secure.
> > >
> > > If anyone out there is really interested in Golf Tube APDs
> > they need
> > > to talk to Michael of the Fray. (knock, knock, Michael are
> > you there?)
> > > I think he does about the best job of any golf tube APDs
> > that I have
> > > inspected.  He can tell you where he gets his Jumbo tubes.
> > >
> > > Personally, this Kingdom Archery Marshal doesn't like golf
> > tube APDs.
> > > I would prefer that whenever possible people use Siloflex or the
> > > commercial Asgard APD.
> > >
> > > When making Siloflex APDs I prefer the square-cut routed channel
> > > design made of 160 PSI siloflex.  I prefer this design for
> > the simple
> > > reason that it is the most rugged and secure of the
> > homemade designs
> > > that I have encountered.
> > >
> > > I understand that there are times when it might be necessary to use
> > > Golf Tubes such as on wooden shafts (but I would also
> > prefer that we
> > > not make any new wooden shafted combat arrows) or when a person
> > > doesn't have tools necessary to cut the siloflex.  In those
> > cases just
> > > take the time to get it right.  Thank you for asking to
> > make sure that
> > > you get it right.
> > >
> > > The most complete place to go for APD information is
> > http://www.combat-archery.com   This is the site of the
> > Society Combat Archery Marshal and is linked to from the
> > Manuals/Reference page and the Links page at
> > http://archery.ansteorra.org.  A direct link > to the Golf Tube
> > APD page  on that site is
> > http://www.combat-archery.com/gtapd.htm  That > page is the
> > definitive page regarding what is required of Golf Tube APDs
> > >
> > > Any questions come see us at inspection point at war or
> > find me in the
> > > Coastal Region / Gates Edge encampment.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Lord Eadric Anstapa
> > > Kingdom Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
> > > eadric at scabrewer.com
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Dwherplvr2 at aol.com
> > >   To: eadric at scabrewer.com
> > >   Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:53 AM
> > >   Subject: Correct APD Size
> > >
> > >   Greetings Lord Eadric,
> > >
> > >   I have a couple of quick questions on APD's.  What is the correct
> > > size of the golf tube APD and what is the correct way to
> > attach them
> > > to the fiberglass shaft?  I've shown a couple of the ones
> > I've made to
> > > Baron Ulf but he's not familiar with the specifics on them so he
> > > wasn't sure what to tell me.  And, with Gulf Wars just a few days
> > > away, I'm afraid I didn't make them correctly.  I've got a
> > couple of
> > > pics I could send but they're not the greatest quality.
> > >
> > >   Thank you for all your help.
> > >
> > >   Jorunn Gunnardottir
> > >
> > > --
> > >
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