[Ansteorra-archery] Some Gulf War XIII Combat Archery Stats

Fri Jul 30 11:47:07 PDT 2004

Hmmm.  From a devil's advocate point of view then there is no need for an authorization card if everyone is honorable and only does what they are supposed to.   Correct?

Logically- the sole reason for equipment inspection is to determine whether it meets safety standards.  Same thing with armor standards.  An authorization card merely means that sometime in years past an individual had some basic training on the authorized item and its safe use- whatever it is- but not that they are necessarily current on latest rules.   As Arcus Eadric has pointed out- honor and honesty are the only thing we can rely on for the individual fighter- and a harsh reaction when such is violated.

Arcus Jaque

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From: Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
Sent: Jul 30, 2004 11:57 AM
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra-archery] Some Gulf War XIII Combat Archery Stats

That is certainly a valid point. We normally assume that fighters will do the right thing. This is a society based on Chivalry and we expect it of the fighters. Someone who is not qualified to use a weapon should not pick it up and use it. 

On the counter to that, we did mark the fighters who had unpadded glave or fiberglass spear or both with clear markers a couple of years ago. They apparently thought there were people who were picking up a spear or glave and using it without being qualified to do so. I don't know the results of that. It did cause those people to be preferred targets by the other side on the assumption that someone who has more qualifications is more dangerous (not true in my case, for instance).

But overall, we don't want to put any beaurocracy in place unless we have to. The marshals are busy enough without looking for people who are cheating.

In service,
Caelin on Andrede

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From: ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=acm.org at ansteorra.org on behalf of jim hodek
Sent: Fri 7/30/2004 11:37 AM
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra-archery] Some Gulf War XIII Combat Archery Stats

How do the marshalls know if any Joe Schmo who is an authorized fighter, but not authorized combat archer isn't out there shooting his crossbow or bow with no idea what the rules are. This seems to present a safety concern for the fighters and spectators.

Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com> wrote: 

	We inspect the fighter and his/her weapons separately and mark each of them. Any correctly marked fighter may use any correctly marked weapon in an appropriate way. We do not require the weapons only be used by the fighter for whom they were inspected.

	In service,
	Capelin on Andrade

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	From: ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=acm.org at ansteorra.org on behalf of jspinks at ix.netcom.com
	Sent: Fri 7/30/2004 8:47 AM
	To: eadric at scabrewer.com; Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
	Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Some Gulf War XIII Combat Archery Stats

	Having not been to Gulf War yet (maybe next year) and not knowing the procedure I would like to inquire of one thing- I understand the logic of getting equipment inspected in bulk but are there no direct records of authorized combat archers and marshals that could! use the equipment? If safety is the main concern then it would seem we should know who is using the equipment.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Eadric Anstapa 
	Sent: Jul 27, 2004 4:48 PM
	To: ansteorra-missile at ansteorra.org
	Cc: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
	Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Some Gulf War XIII Combat Archery Stats

	The Ansteorran Archery Marshallate has kept logbooks at our
	inspection points at Gulf War for the past two years. This past
	year the Meridians joined us so now we have data that may or may not
	have some meaningful information depending on how you want to look
	at it. For me at least it is interesting and may be useful to our
	command and marshallate.

	There appear to have been about 140 archers at war. We say "about"
	because sometime a unit will send one person down to get all their
	gear inspected so it is difficult to get an exact count on the
	number of archers. Some archer! s would come and get 5 or more sets
	of equipment inspected. 

	There where 114 unique medalion numbers that came through the
	inspection point so we are pretty sure there where at least that
	many archers.

	There where 174 distinct bows or crossbows inspected so there
	theoretically could have been as many as as 174 archers on the field
	at one time.

	If ya go by where the bows or crossbows came from:
	31% of the archers where from Meridies
	30% of the archers where from Ansteorra
	28% of the archers were from Trimaris
	5% from the Middle
	3% from Calontir
	1 archer each from kingoms of Atlantia, West, and Aethelmarc.

	Ansteorra and Allies were outnumbered 3/2 with roughly 60% of the
	archers with Trimaris and her allies and 40% to Ansteorra and our
	Allies.

	There were 103 crossbows inspected at war. 

	There were 3 heavy crossbows over 600 IP. All three heavy crossbows
	were from our Midrealm allies. 

	Avera! ge in/lbs for crossbows was 466. Low was 228. High was 782
	(heavy crossbow, there was an 800 limit). 

	It looks like the average crossbow by GW Kingdom was:

	Meridies 425 Inch Pounds
	Ansteorra 481 Inch Pounds
	Trimaris 491 Inch Pounds 

	There were 71 bows inspected at war. There were 11 heavy bows over
	30#. One heavy bow was from Aethelmarc, the other 10 frm the Middle
	and Calontir. Average bow poundage was 30#. Low was 16#; high was
	48# (heavy bow). 

	There 4237 total bolts, and 2417 total arrows. 

	Of those 240 arrows/bolts where of the large tube designs for heavy
	bows and crossbows. 

	There were 321 wooden shafted bolts, none were from Ansteorra. 80
	from Atlantia, 107 from Meridies, 174 from Trimaris. 

	There were 104 wooden arrows of which only 6 where from Ansteorra,
	80 where from Trimaris, 18 from Meridies.

	For APDs 41% were Asgard APDs, 31% were Siloflex APDs, 23% were Golf
	Tube ! APDs, and 5% where some other minor types.

	Regards,

	--
	Arcus Eadric Anstapa
	Kingdom Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
	eadric at scabrewer.com

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