[Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division

CarrieGreg Martin carrie_n_greg at yahoo.com
Sun May 2 23:31:46 PDT 2004 

this topic is good enough to stop lurking for
 
someone posted that it shouldnt be about the scores. your right it should be about FUN. would it be much fun to not be able to hit the target? would it be much fun to relearn everything you have been doing for the last 3-5 years or more? 
 
do me a favor go out and practice but now add 20 yards to your long range..for RR thats 60 yards hmm a bit tricky isnt it. okay now do it with a 20lb bow that you been using for 3 or 4 years.. seems to hit the dirt alot doesnt it.. okay easy just get a bigger bow..say 45lbs..if parents will buy another one that is..okay now we are learning to shoot at longer ranges and learning to pull a bigger bow...we having fun yet? oh cool a event coming up...we get to shoot with the adults now...guess how we did?
 
sounds like fun doesnt it?  folks you have to think about this from the kids point of view..at 14ish and so they are not adults yet..they are not still little kids..they are still learning that hard work pays off..they want to have FUN...if you tell them you are going to suck at this for a while again till you learn all over...they are not going to have fun...
 
dont give them anything for nothing...sure increase the range...but dont make it such a big jump all at once...give them a snowballs chance to still have fun...
 
most of us started shooting as adults i would wager, we know the meaning of practice..and we also practice to improve ourselves..we dont really care what our friends think of our skills do we?? :-)  but think if you will 2 13 year olds shooting with each other for a year..think they challenge each other and have fun? you bet...oops one had a birthday...ha ha look at my scores now..you suck dude!!   
 
someone said something about 16 year old boys pulling a 45 lbs bow...sure i know some too...can they do it enough to shoot a ikac? without strain or pain?...what about a 14 year old girl? i know one that can't..do we tell her she cant play?
 
i have funny ideas about this game/sport i kinda think the idea is to help others, teach, attract new people. etc...  just think if we help these kids stay with it..where they will be when they get our age..think of the scores posted for the kingdom.. think how proud you would be if it was your kid or you helped the kids
 
i have only been playing for less than a year...been shooting bows for about 6 months now. its the most fun i have had...notice i said FUN.. lets try and make it fun for others.
 
back to lurking
Geoffrey Makepeace
just a archer in northkeep

Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
And neither did I till about 6 months ago. I had to go to other ranges or
secure land in various place on which to put a range.

More of the same inadequate stuff is going to be just that.

And you, plus a few others, are validating a point I've had for some time
now. It is easier to come up with excuses why something can't or shouldn't
be done than it is to find one reason to do it.

But I don't recal you typing (is that better) that you'd support the program
either.

Gilli
The more arrows you loose, the more that can hit GOLD.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Hill" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division


>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bob Dewart" 
> Reply-To: Archery within the Kingdom of
> Ansteorra
> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:45:38 -0500
>
> How do you think the "big shots" got to be that way? Just one word.
> Practice. Not all of us live on big pieces of property or have a range in
> our backyard. I'd love to be able to put the hours in that you do. Again,
> getting the kids out to practice is the biggest thing. Thanks for
validating
> that arguement.
>
> Perhaps the archery community is differant up there. But all
> skill levels are welcomed here. Are they? I've seen that kind of thing on
> the surface or heard about it from lots more places than 'up here', and
have
> seen people talk the talk, but not all of them practice what they preach.
>
> So, if there was a Youth Division you would not support it? Is that what
> I'm hearing? Because it might help the kid to become better than you can
> be? Did I get that correct? Well you need to learn to read better. I
didnt
> say anywhere that I wouldnt support it, I said that I think we can work
with
> what we have and improve on how we use it.
>
> I'd be tickle pink if a kid could out shoot me. Means will have better
> scores for the IKAC and IKCAC. I'd rather have a kid shoot better than me
> because he loves to shoot for the joy of it and not necessarily the
> competition. I think that we place a bit too much emphasis on that aspect
of
> the sport. That's why it isn't much fun for some of the kids or novices to
> shoot. You have validated another point of mine, thanks again.
>
> Gilli
> The more arrows you loose, the more that can hit GOLD.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Hill" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
>
>
> > A lot of people think that the kids get frustrated well, let me tell
you,
> > all of the novices, youth or otherwise do. I think it's not so much an
> age
> > thing as it is the way that the archery community as a whole seems to
> treat
> > the less experienced or lower scoring archers. Due to a physical
> condition,
> > I will never be able to shoot particularly well. I have made bowman by
> the
> > skin of my teeth and will be fortunate to ever top that. I have
recently
> > watched a young man who had never shot before, outshoot my average
within
> a
> > couple of weeks. He is under 16. Unfortunately he doesn't come out
> > regularly.
> >
> > I know that there are a few things that I can do to improve...give up
my
> > longbow for a recurve probably would help a bit but I like the
periodness
> of
> > a longbow. I'm never treated badly, but it IS hugely intimidating to
try
> to
> > compete with the 'big shots', knowing that you will be out in the first
> > round. Last year watching better shooters try to come up with excuses
and
> > reasons to try to enter the Novice tourney at Warlord was very
> frustrating.
> > Why can't we have chances at decent prizes without those that can shoot
> > circles around us trying to jostle their way in? Whether joking or not,
> it
> > did leave an impression.
> >
> > Getting the novices and the youth out to practices will do them as much
> good
> > as another division and with less work. As the kids get older, at
> practices,
> > make sure that they spend some time shooting at longer distances.
Keeping
> > them shorter will only delay their adaptation. Sooner or later they
will
> hit
> > the top of their age group and will have to shoot against the adults
> anyway.
> > If they are still used to shooting shorter distances, they will still
be
> at
> > a disadvantage, just as will any adult who only shoots at 20 yard
> distances
> > indoors all year.
> >
> > Get them out to practices and more tournaments for novices and those in
> the
> > lower rankings will make them more confident and score better without
> > keeping them at the kid's table, so to speak. That and really show
these
> > folks that you care. Take them under your wing. These are the people
that
> > the better shooters should be taking on as students and proteges. Find
a
> kid
> > that has promise and guide them. Making a protege out of someone who
> already
> > has an average in the 60's makes the whole idea of protege's useless as
> far
> > as I am concerned. They already know most of what they need to do, they
> just
> > need to practice more or refine their techniques a bit. It will be a
lot
> > more rewarding to invest the time to turn a kid who shoots into an
> archer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Ron Bentley" 
> > Reply-To: Ron Bentley , Archery within
> the
> > Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > To: , "Archery within the Kingdom of
> > Ansteorra"
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
> > Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:49:47 -0500
> >
> > I don't think there needs to be any new divisions either.
> >
> > My two sons shoot and if they would practice more. Not just before a
> shot,
> > they would have higher scores. For anyone to improve their scores,
they
> > must spend more time shooting.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eadric Anstapa" 
> > To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
> >
> >
> > > Bob Dewart said:
> > >
> > >
> > > > What do you all think?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that most youth particularly young men in that age range
> > > should be shooting witht he adults. Most 15 year old boys are
> > > capable of shooting any bow at any range that I am. VERY Few
> > > people shoot bows heavier than 45 pounds. Most (almost all)
> > > youngsters (boysw and girls) of that age are capable of drawing
> > > adult sized and weight bows and typically they learn more quickly.
> > >
> > > Personally I dont think there is a need to add any new divisions.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > HL Eadric Anstapa
> > > Ansteorra
> > > eadric at scabrewer.com
> > >
> > >
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