[Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division

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Mon May 3 15:56:09 PDT 2004 

With all due respect- the problems are as varied as the area involved.  From observation I can say that the problem is usually more one of who is shooting in a given area and what the enthusiasms are.  If there are primarily novices then they will not intimidate but they may not improve either if their form is poor or there are other difficulties such as poor equipment.  The better archers have to share that knowledge.

As has been pointed out more than once- everyone is a novice sometime.  Lord Owen Hell and I once thought hitting an IKAC of 100 was doing ok.  Then we started insulting each other and egging the other on to the point that we now sometimes score around 200.   For myself- I shoot because I like to shoot.  But I shoot best when I shoot with my friends (or enemies) in friendly competition.  Many people do.  

A youth division is of limited value since, as has been pointed out, teens can usually pull as much or sometimes more than adults and often have the time to practice if they are interested.  Mostly the teens are comparable to adult novice until they practice. 

Regardless of whether you shoot against yourself or others, human nature is such that we require encouragement in some form-better scores, complements, or simply camaraderie.  I would suggest that anyone should encourage  and welcom the other shooters on the line, no matter their rank.     Our archery community as a whole can only improve with such.

Jaque de Aix 



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com>
Sent: May 2, 2004 10:54 PM
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division

And neither did I till about 6 months ago.  I had to go to other ranges or
secure land in various place on which to put a range.

More of the same inadequate stuff is going to be just that.

And you, plus a few others, are validating a point I've had for some time
now.  It is easier to come up with excuses why something can't or shouldn't
be done than it is to find one reason to do it.

But I don't recal you typing (is that better) that you'd support the program
either.

Gilli
The more arrows you loose, the more that can hit GOLD.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Hill" <sueorintx at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division


>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
> Reply-To: Archery within the Kingdom of
> Ansteorra<ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
> <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:45:38 -0500
>
> How do you think the "big shots" got to be that way?  Just one word.
> Practice.  Not all of us live on big pieces of property or have a range in
> our backyard. I'd love to be able to put the hours in that you do. Again,
> getting the kids out to practice is the biggest thing. Thanks for
validating
> that arguement.
>
> Perhaps the archery community is differant up there.  But all
> skill levels are welcomed here. Are they? I've seen that kind of thing on
> the surface or heard about it from lots more places than 'up here', and
have
> seen people talk the talk, but not all of them practice what they preach.
>
> So, if there was a Youth Division you would not support it?  Is that what
> I'm hearing?  Because it might help the kid to become better than you can
> be?  Did I get that correct? Well you need to learn to read better. I
didnt
> say anywhere that I wouldnt support it, I said that I think we can work
with
> what we have and improve on how we use it.
>
> I'd be tickle pink if a kid could out shoot me.  Means will have better
> scores for the IKAC and IKCAC. I'd rather have a kid shoot better than me
> because he loves to shoot for the joy of it and not necessarily the
> competition. I think that we place a bit too much emphasis on that aspect
of
> the sport. That's why it isn't much fun for some of the kids or novices to
> shoot. You have validated another point of mine, thanks again.
>
> Gilli
> The more arrows you loose, the more that can hit GOLD.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Hill" <sueorintx at hotmail.com>
> To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
>
>
>  > A lot of people think that the kids get frustrated well, let me tell
you,
>  > all of the novices, youth or otherwise do. I think it's not so much an
> age
>  > thing as it is the way that the archery community as a whole seems to
> treat
>  > the less experienced or lower scoring archers. Due to a physical
> condition,
>  > I will never be able to shoot particularly well. I have made bowman by
> the
>  > skin of my teeth and will be fortunate to ever top that. I have
recently
>  > watched a young man who had never shot before, outshoot my average
within
> a
>  > couple of weeks. He is under 16. Unfortunately he doesn't come out
>  > regularly.
>  >
>  > I know that there are a few things that I can do to improve...give up
my
>  > longbow for a recurve probably would help a bit but I like the
periodness
> of
>  > a longbow. I'm never treated badly, but it IS hugely intimidating to
try
> to
>  > compete with the 'big shots', knowing that you will be out in the first
>  > round. Last year watching better shooters try to come up with excuses
and
>  > reasons to try to enter the Novice tourney at Warlord was very
> frustrating.
>  > Why can't we have chances at decent prizes without those that can shoot
>  > circles around us trying to jostle their way in? Whether joking or not,
> it
>  > did leave an impression.
>  >
>  > Getting the novices and the youth out to practices will do them as much
> good
>  > as another division and with less work. As the kids get older, at
> practices,
>  > make sure that they spend some time shooting at longer distances.
Keeping
>  > them shorter will only delay their adaptation. Sooner or later they
will
> hit
>  > the top of their age group and will have to shoot against the adults
> anyway.
>  > If they are still used to shooting shorter distances, they will still
be
> at
>  > a disadvantage, just as will any adult who only shoots at 20 yard
> distances
>  > indoors all year.
>  >
>  > Get them out to practices and more tournaments for novices and those in
> the
>  > lower rankings will make them more confident and score better without
>  > keeping them at the kid's table, so to speak. That and really show
these
>  > folks that you care. Take them under your wing. These are the people
that
>  > the better shooters should be taking on as students and proteges. Find
a
> kid
>  > that has promise and guide them. Making a protege out of someone who
> already
>  > has an average in the 60's makes the whole idea of protege's useless as
> far
>  > as I am concerned. They already know most of what they need to do, they
> just
>  > need to practice more or refine their techniques a bit. It will be a
lot
>  > more rewarding to invest the time to turn a kid who shoots into an
> archer.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ----Original Message Follows----
>  > From: "Ron Bentley" <whitewolf at sabinenet.com>
>  > Reply-To: Ron Bentley <whitewolf at sabinenet.com>,        Archery within
> the
>  > Kingdom of Ansteorra<ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
>  > To: <eadric at scabrewer.com>,        "Archery within the Kingdom of
>  > Ansteorra"<ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
>  > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
>  > Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:49:47 -0500
>  >
>  > I don't think there needs to be any new divisions either.
>  >
>  > My two sons shoot and if they would practice more. Not just before a
> shot,
>  > they would have higher scores.  For anyone to improve their scores,
they
>  > must spend more time shooting.
>  >
>  > Aaron
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Eadric Anstapa" <eadric at scabrewer.com>
>  > To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
>  > <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
>  > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:55 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Youth Archery Division
>  >
>  >
>  >  > Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> said:
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > > What do you all think?
>  >  > >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > I think that most youth particularly young men in that age range
>  >  > should be shooting witht he adults.  Most 15 year old boys are
>  >  > capable of shooting any bow at any range that I am.  VERY Few
>  >  > people shoot bows heavier than 45 pounds.  Most  (almost all)
>  >  > youngsters (boysw and girls) of that age are capable of drawing
>  >  > adult sized and weight bows and typically they learn more quickly.
>  >  >
>  >  > Personally I dont think there is a need to add any new divisions.
>  >  >
>  >  > Regards,
>  >  >
>  >  > --
>  >  > HL Eadric Anstapa
>  >  > Ansteorra
>  >  > eadric at scabrewer.com
>  >  >
>  >  >
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