[Ansteorra-archery] question

Thu Apr 28 18:14:02 PDT 2005

GREETINGS 

>HL Eadric Anstapa
DSEM CA
WROTE : 
>Or should the next set of Ansteorran Target Archery rules say something about it?
PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA  .

I.M.O.

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WELL IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WE HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT .
FROM MARSHALS CHOICE TO REQUIRING THE MINOR TO CARRY HIS MEDICAL HISTORY WITH HIM . 

 IN THIS INSTANCE ,  
IN TODAY'S WORLD , UNDER THE CURRENT RULES OF THE SCA, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYONE CONCERNED ( MARSHAL,MINOR,PARENT, SCA ) THAT THE PARENT / LEGAL GUARDIAN / NOTARIZED WAIVER FORM GUARDIAN  BE PRESENT WHEN THE MINOR IS PARTICIPATING IN OUR SPORT.
NOT BECAUSE THERE HAS EVER BEEN A " PROBLEM " WITH ACCIDENTS , BUT BECAUSE AS MARSHALS WE MUST BE PREPARED FOR " POTENTIAL " PROBLEMS .EVERYTHING FROM : THE BUTT JUST BLEW OVER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMPETITION , 
TO , WORST CASE , : WHY DID HE JUST SHOOT HIS FINGER DOWN RANGE ??  

AS MARSHALS WE REGULARLY ASSESS POTENTIAL PROBLEMS , HER LIMBS ARE BEGINNING TO WARP, HIS STRING NEEDS WAXING , ETC. AND MAKING JUDGMENTS BASED ON THE RULES WE FOLLOW, AND OUR OWN EXPERIENCE , AS TO WHAT IS THE SAFEST COURSE OF ACTION .
THIS EXPERIENCE COULD HELP US MAKE A GOOD CALL IN MOST CASES , BUT WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT ONE EVENT , THE TEN MILLION TO ONE , ACT OF THE GODS ACCIDENT THAT NO ONE SAW COMING ???
THAT'S THE " POTENTIAL " PROBLEM WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR .

WHILE THERE ARE TALENTED YOUNG ARCHERS OUT THERE , SOME OF WHOM KNOW AND FOLLOW THE RANGE RULES BETTER THAN SOME OF THE ADULTS I'VE SEEN . 
IT STILL BOILS DOWN TO THE FACT THAT MINORS DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE MEDICAL TREATMENT IN CASE OF AN ACCIDENT. 
THAT'S ONE REASON WHY THE WAIVER / PARENT PRESENT RULE IS ALREADY APPLIED TO MOST CHILDREN'S / YOUTH SHOOTS .

ANYWAY , I'M RAMBLING 
THAT'S MY 2 CENTS WORTH .

BE SAFE, BE HAPPY, HAVE FUN
ARTHUR BLACKMOON 
ARCARIUS TO  JAQUE THE SPINK

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Ruff 
  To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra 
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] question

  Well said Lyneya

  Personally i always thought it was REQUIRED to have a parent or guardian present on the shooting line or within direct eye shot of the minor when shooting. I know having taught childrens archery in the sca and out, AND running birthday parties at the archery proshop years ago i felt better having extra eyes there. 

  During the many good things that happen when a child shoots, and if something bad happens - i MUCH rather have the parent there rather then have to explain it. Hurt child = hysterical parent. 

  Ulrich

  Susan Hill <sueorintx at hotmail.com> wrote:
    If there is any doubt, then we should be waiting for a ruling from the 
    Kingdom Archery Marshal, Master Pug, or the Earl Marshal, Duke Patrick 
    Micheal. So far all I have seen is..".if it was me", or "in my opinions" for 
    answers. I thought that there had been some discussion recently about 
    requiring a parent or notorized representative thereof for every minor at an 
    activity where there is potential for physical injury. Now, Archery isn't 
    classified as a combat activity, but we do mess with a lot of pointy sharp 
    things. I would be a lot more comfortable requiring a parent or person 
    authorized with all the right paperwork, that has the ok to get medical 
    treatment for a kid if, God forbid, something should happen. It doesn't even 
    have to be something archery related at the site for medical care to be 
    needed. I don't want to have to hope ! that someone has a cell phone and is 
    present, and that someone else know's mom or dad's exact whereabouts, and 
    someone knows the kid's medical history, etc.

    Having worked as an EMT and emergency room nurse, I know full well the 
    danger and frustration of not being able to treat a child completely without 
    having a parent or someone with the authority to approve treatment in the 
    case of an emergency. I don't want to have to chase all over a site, or out 
    in the mundane world electronically for that approval.

    As far as the notorized forms...yes a new one must be done for every event. 
    A hassle, but necessary.

    If I was going to be the authorized party on those forms, I would make sure 
    that I had the following information in addition to the parent's contact 
    info., or that the minor had it with him in written form: Doctor's name and 
    phone number, allergies, any health conditions, and significant previous 
    medical history. Th! ere's an awful lot more to consider when becoming 
    'guardian' for a day, than just taking the kid to the activity.

    Respectfully,

    Lyneya de Grey
    Arcarius to Jaque the Spink

    ----Original Message Follows----
    From: "tiggerthistle at netzero.net" 
    Reply-To: Archery within the Kingdom of 
    Ansteorra
    To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
    Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] question
    Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:11:34 GMT

    does the notarized page have to be for each separate event or can the same 
    one be used indefinitely??

    Vivian McKinnon
    Deputy Archery Marshall
    Shire of Loch Ruadh
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