[Ansteorra-archery] Other fun stuff

Sat Jul 2 11:56:40 PDT 2005

GREETINGS 

HL. EADRIC , JUST AS AN ASIDE  ,IN OKLAHOMA , YOU MAY USE A CROSSBOW ANY TIME AND PLACE FOR HUNTING THAT YOU WOULD LEGALLY USE A RECURVE OR LONGBOW,  IF YOU CARRY A NOTE FROM YOUR DOCTOR EXPLAINING WHY YOU CAN'T DRAW A REGULAR BOW ,EVER, AND A CURRENT HUNTING LIC.
>Crossbow Usage
    Hunters who have a permanent disability to the extent that they cannot use a conventional longbow, as certified by a physician licensed to practice in Oklahoma or bordering state, may hunt with a crossbow. A person who qualifies to use a crossbow shall have in their possession while in the field written evidence of such certification signed by the physician. 
    Crossbows may not be transported in a motorized vehicle unless uncocked or disassembled.
    Crossbow: Minimum draw weight of 100 pounds and equipped with safety devices. Leverage gaining devices are permitted.
    Bolts (arrows): Minimum of 14 inches in length and equipped with broadhead hunting type points not less than 7/8 inches wide. 
    Illegal Devices: Laser sights. 

BE SAFE, BE HAPPY, HAVE FUN
ARTHUR BLACKMOON 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eadric Anstapa 
  To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra 
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Other fun stuff

  Ilrich,

  I really can not rememebr the last time I was at a torunament  and they told me that a Tournament was a "Royal Round" or that an individual round in the tournament was a "Royal Round".  If you are at such a tournament then you should certainly be allowed to shoot from any position during that portion of the shoot so that your score can be submitted.

  Someone saying it will be an "open" or "Open Division" doesn't usually mean that it will be a royal round or any other Royal Round rules will apply.  It means that any SCA legal equipment will be allowed and maybe that they will use 60CM FITA targets.

  If you are shooting a true "Royal Round" or IKAC and you are not allowed to shoot from any position then thats a violation of the rules.

  If you are shooting in anything else please respect the wishes and rules of the tournament organizers.  If the tournament organizers feel that sitting, kneeling, whatever gives you an unfair advantage then they will likely ask you to stand.  It's a call that each tournament organizer can make.

  This past spring I won the crossbow division at Stargate  and I made every shot from a kneeling position.  There was a couple of other folks who shot kneeling as well and nobody thought it was odd, unusual, or unfair becuase it was a separate crossbow division.

  I am no more tired at the end of a Royal Round shooting a 90# crossbow that I am a 40# bow.  Drawing a bow uses a very small set of muscles across the back that are typically pretty weak because we dont use them much for anything else.  Drawing a bow requires us to draw smoothly through about a 20 inch power stroke.  Unless you are a purely instinctive shooter (and there are very few in SCA target archery) after you have drawn the bow the same set of muscles are use to hold the bow anchored at full draw and help hold it steady while you aim.

  Drawing a crossbow uses a much larger set of muscles that are much more frequently used and better developed.  The chest, arms, torso, and even legs are used depending on how the person braces their bow.  A crossbow is typically only drawn through about a 10" power stroke and can be done quickly without worrying about being smooth and fluid.  If the crossbowman wants he can even use a goats foot lever, a windlass, or a crannequinn to cock his crossbow for him.  Once the crossbow is cocked the crossbowman can take all the time in the world for his shot as he is only having to hold the few pounds of the physical weight of the crossbow and does not have to hold the draw weight of the bow.  He can take his time to get the bolt position on the crossbow just right, make sure that his bolt clip is just right, that any sight is just right, that the crossbow is anchored on his shoulder or cheek just right, and hold and hold and hold until everything is perfect without having to support the draw weight of that spanned crossbow.

  Crossbow and handbows are different styles of shooting.  Both take practice and skill to do well but they are different.  The SCA is the only place I know of where crossbows are ever allowed to compete against/with handbows.  Crossbows are allowed in NAA, IBO, etc. but they never shoot directly against bows.  Heck even where crossbows are allowed as hunting weapons they are typically not allowed in the regular bow season.  

  We allow crossbows in the SCA  but no competition organizer is required to allow them in his competition.  When a competition organizer allows the single crossbow that shows up to compete in the same tournament against the 20 bows that show up I think that he/she is being terribly inclusive and going out of their way to accomodate the crossbowman and I think not unreasonable to in return ask that crossbowman to stand just like all the other archers.

  More crossbow only competitions or separate crossbow divisions need to be organized so that crossbows are shooting against crossbows.  The you shouldn't have this discussion.

  Or perhaps we write a line in our kingdom rules that simply says that crossbows may not compete directly against handbows.  Then this problem is solved for good and either separate crossbow divisions show up in competitions (when there are enough crossbowmen that show up to make a separate division worthwhile) or crossbows dont get used at all.

  Regards,

  -- 
  HL Eadric Anstapa
  DSEM CA
  eadric at scabrewer.com

  David Ruff wrote: 
    Wow.... impressive....

    Ok i will just spell it out since what i wrote was taken as raving....

    When Championships in this area are quoted to follow open royal round rules then i am going to follow the rules... when NEW rules are included that directly conflict with the rules i was told to folllow i am going to ask WHY.... I WILL question it.

    If im told "becuase i said" - sorry - not cutting it...... I don't care WHO it comes from - i will ask until it is understood in my pea sized brain.....

    Now if that offends you and that is a rant and rave to you, i am sorry for taking up your band.....

    It REALLY seems to me that the archery community is a club... you step outside the clubs thinking and your dirt... you think outside the box and attempt to change things or bring new iseas to the club - your dirt.... I AM TIRED of it and really feel sorry for those that seem to follow eachother as blind mice. 

    I sure the heck know better then to EVER bring up ideas and questions to ANYONE around here from here on in.... It gets you called out in open forum, yelled at, insulted and deemed as a trouble maker.... Good luck to you......

    Ulrich

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