[Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?

Eric Brown caladin at io.com
Tue Dec 16 21:46:35 PST 2008 

To be bluntly honest I've always felt that the people who complain about 
it being "dominating" and "overpowerd"
really mean that it's decreasing their ability to play the game 
_exactly_ the way they want to, and they resent it cutting into their "fun",
and resent having to change their tactics to deal with it.

Does it suck to get shot by an archer, of course it does, but it's way 
cool and more realistic too...

Caladin-



John wrote:
> Ah, but we all know the standard French fighting position.  Feet 
> spread shoulder width apart, Hands and arms raised above their heads.  ;o)
>
> Because we run out of ammo by then silly. 
>
> Iaen
>
> Paul Thorne wrote:
>> Hey, let's not bring the French bashing into this!  The French were 
>> cool, for approx. 0.5 seconds before dropping their stuff and 
>> running...but that's gotta count for something right?
>>
>> It's amazing what will get wrapped up in the discussions over 
>> "safety" when you break down most of the conversations it really 
>> comes down to gameplay and how they feel CA is overwhelming on the 
>> battlefield.  Of course if CA was so domineering why is it that at 
>> the end of the ravine battle that it isn't just down to nothing but 
>> Archers at the end?
>>
>>
>> -JP (disgruntled Frenchman)
>>
>> Viva la...meh...
>>
>> On 12/16/08, *Susan McMahill* <sueorintx at hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:sueorintx at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     One thing that I did find rather interesting is that there are a
>>     number of folks who would like to restrict rate of fire,
>>     especially from crossbows. This includes outlawing
>>     'belly-cocking." As most of the combat crossbowmen and women I
>>     know do some sort of what I would call 'belly-cocking,' This
>>     caught my attention. Apparently certain factions believe that
>>     this causes a crossbowman to be able to reload and fire at an
>>     'unacceptable' rate of fire. It has been brought up, however,
>>     that the rate of fire they have been discussing is historically
>>     accurate. There hasn't been a lot more said about that. These
>>     same folks would like to have a restriction in amounts of ammo
>>     available to archers and crossbows. Boy, wouldn't Henry V have
>>     loved someone to restrict the number of arrows that his archers
>>     were able to shoot at Agincourt? Jeeze! Sounds like a bunch of
>>     disgruntled Frenchmen to me!
>>      
>>     Anyway, this onslaught really caught me by surprise as I had just
>>     joined the SCA Combat Archery list the day all this started. I've
>>     been getting about 6 digests a day with up to 25 messages per
>>     digest. A little overwhelming, to say the least. I am hoping it
>>     slows down a bit.
>>      
>>     Sir Kenneth, I was actually thinking of emailing you about all
>>     this 'stuff'. We have several knights in Ansteorra that are CA
>>     friendly so I don't think that the issue is that great here. As
>>     Iaen said, most of this discontent is from the easternmost
>>     reaches of the Knowne World. Hopefully as more of them become
>>     aware of the new rules for CA, they can stop running around
>>     screeching about the sky falling. I guess they live too close to
>>     Wall Street.
>>      
>>     Regards,
>>      
>>     Lyneya
>>
>>
>>     Well-behaved women Seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>     Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:06:07 -0600
>>     From: iaenmor at swbell.net <mailto:iaenmor at swbell.net>
>>     To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>>     <mailto:ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>     Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
>>
>>
>>     Sir Kenneth, as it stands right now I wouldn't worry too much
>>     about it.  Quite a bit of gum flapping by some.  Quite a bit of
>>     insult flying early on and somewhat still.  Some really good
>>     talks about some things.  Those are mostly about crowd safety and
>>     netting on the sidelines.  Sir Omarad came on the list and told
>>     all we can discuss away but any changes would have to go through
>>     the Kingdom marshalletes and up the chain of command.  He made it
>>     pretty clear any CA changes asked for would have to go through
>>     the SCAM before anything got to him.
>>
>>     Sir Lyonel has actually been fairly supportive of the CA
>>     situation.  Surprised the hell out of me about that.  He is
>>     mainly wondering why we have such ridiculous rules for the
>>     archers.  You might want to pop him an email and get his stance
>>     for yourself.  I think as far as I can tell he is the only knight
>>     from Ansteorra that has spoken up in the discussion.  There have
>>     been several others (mostly from the western kingdoms) who have
>>     spoken up for CA also.  Most of the dissenters seem to be from
>>     the eastern seaboard kingdoms. 
>>
>>     That is my view on what has been happening so far.  Lots of wind
>>     and not much else.
>>
>>     Iaen Mor
>>
>>     Ken Theriot wrote:
>>
>>         What information does anyone here have on this?  Sir Lyonel
>>         just posted this to the Chiv list.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         A number of knights in various kingdoms are pressing, lately,
>>         to ban fibreglass shaft ammunition and allow only 100#
>>         siloflex bolts and arrows on the battlefield.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         I confess that I don't frequent the SCA-wide lists, so I
>>         hadn't heard of this until now.  Does this have a chance? 
>>         What is driving this?  Lyonel put a pool out to our list to
>>         get the opinion of our chivalry on it asking just one
>>         question…"do you agree with this?"  I don't expect many of
>>         the Ansteorran chivalry to support such an idiotic (sorry…to
>>         strong a word?) proposal.  I just wanted to find out what
>>         anyone else might know about it.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Thanks.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Kenneth
>>
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