[Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27

ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Tue Dec 16 15:34:37 PST 2008


greetings 

thanx for the info, i should have said that to the best of my knowledge i hadn't seen any negative posts by ansteorran knights .

but being married to one , i figure you probably know a lot more ansteorran knights than i do ; )

be safe, be happy, havefun
arthur 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan McMahill 
  To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:28 PM
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  I don't know about that, Arthur. There is at least one knight that has been posting that is less than thrilled with CA and he is from Ansteorra. At least I sure see his name on the Ansteorran list from time to time. While he isn't as negative as some, he certainly isn't positive, either.
   
  Lyneya de Grey


  Well-behaved women Seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich





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  From: ld.blackmoon at cox.net
  To: debbnglenn at centurytel.net; ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
  Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:21:20 -0600
  Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27



  greetings 

  first let me say , that while several out of kingdom  kings / dukes / knights  have expressed strong desire to see combat archery done away with completely ,or heavily modified  , usualy stating that it is for " safety reasons " . 
  however , i have to date seen no anti combat archery posts made by ansteorran knights !
  yes , fear can ruin everything, but that sword cuts both ways. over reacting to false statements can cause just as much trouble as making false statements.
  please don't let the words of a few loud nay sayers , prompt anything less than an honorable response . 
  remember , our kingdom , doesn't suffer so much from this sad disease.
  i am not very familiar with other kingdoms ways or systems of honor , so i can't say for sure ,

  but just maybe , at least in ansteorra, our people look at " honor and acting honorably " as more than something you swear to do once, and never have to think about again ??
  perhaps putting your own " feelings " aside for the benifit of the kingdom isn't some strange thought brought on by too much drink .

  but who knows  ; )

  keep going to events, keep having fun , the society just changed the combat rules, so i don't see them suddenly dropping combat archery .

  be safe, be happy,have fun
  arthur
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    From: Glenn Long 
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    Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:55 PM
    Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27


    It never fails. Fear ruins everything. I have been doing this for a heck
    of a long time and have seen ZERO injuries due to combat archery. I have
    seen injuries due to poor helmet fit, bad armor strapping, poor fighting
    ability, lack of fitness, poor shield design, and about a dozen other
    things. I think what we have is a bunch of "invincibles" who get their
    panties in a wad because a lowly "peasant" can take them out with a well
    placed shot. Their answer is to make arrows that SUCK! Why don't we just
    make our swords out of siloflex too! That way no body can get hurt when
    someone strikes them.
    This is another example of why the SCA will one day be no better than a
    role-playing fantasy group. Maybe we should all carry multi sided dice
    and we can just throw them at each other!
    Jeez....wussies suck the fun out of everything!

    Reinhardt Stahlhelm

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    Message: 1
    Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:52:51 -0800 (PST)
    From: Mike Gideon <mg1m at swbell.net>
    Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
    To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
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    Lucan's squire was the one struck/injured

    Michel




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    From: Ken Theriot <kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com>
    To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
    <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:48:50 PM
    Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?


    Was it Lucan ( East Kingdom ) or Logan (Atlantia)?
    ?
    Kenneth? 
    ?

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    From:Mike Gideon [mailto:mg1m at swbell.net] 
    Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:09 PM
    To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
    ?
    But let it be know also that this incident was 2 years ago, and was
    never reported to the MIC or CAMIC of the event in Atlantia.I believe.
    ?
    Michel mac Donnchaid
    KMM
    ?

    ________________________________

    From:Mike Wyvill <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>
    To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
    Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:25:55 PM
    Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?

    Sir Kenneth,
    ?
    It's true. There are a few?knights and masters?on the Missile Combat
    list, some of whom are advocating a single society standard and that
    standard would be tube ammo. In fact some are actually advocating that
    we go to a single manufacturer!
    ?
    What is driving this is the fear that a fiberglass shaft will penetrate
    a blunt and then someone's eye. I and others have been trying to
    reassure them of the safety of fiberglass shafts when wedded to UHMW
    blunts. Some have actually come around to a point. Others lofted their
    opinions and then left. I have to say, a number of the posters on the
    list (CA proponents and anti-CA types) have been less than courteous. 
    ?
    Duke Lucan has posted an account by one of his squires stating that he
    was struck below his eye by a blunt-less shaft. So those that dislike CA
    has an incident to point to. 
    ?
    EdV
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    From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com
    To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
    Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:58 -0600
    Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
    What information does anyone here have on this?? Sir Lyonel just posted
    this to the Chiv list.
    ?
    A number of knights in various kingdoms are pressing, lately, to ban
    fibreglass shaft ammunition and allow only 100# siloflex bolts and
    arrows on the battlefield. 
    ?
    I confess that I don?t frequent the SCA-wide lists, so I hadn?t heard of
    this until now.? Does this have a chance?? What is driving this?? Lyonel
    put a pool out to our list to get the opinion of our chivalry on it
    asking just one question??do you agree with this??? I don?t expect many
    of the Ansteorran chivalry to support such an idiotic (sorry?to strong a
    word?) proposal.? I just wanted to find out what anyone else might know
    about it.
    ?
    Thanks.
    ?
    Kenneth
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    Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:54:29 +0000
    From: Mike Wyvill <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
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    Duke Lucan. 



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    From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.comTo:
    ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orgDate: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:48:50
    -0600Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?







    Was it Lucan (East Kingdom) or Logan (Atlantia)?
     
    Kenneth  
     




    From: Mike Gideon [mailto:mg1m at swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16,
    2008 3:09 PMTo: Archery within the Kingdom of AnsteorraSubject: Re:
    [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
     


    But let it be know also that this incident was 2 years ago, and was
    never reported to the MIC or CAMIC of the event in Atlantia.I believe.

     

    Michel mac Donnchaid

    KMM

     




    From: Mike Wyvill <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>To:
    ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orgSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008
    2:25:55 PMSubject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?Sir
    Kenneth, It's true. There are a few knights and masters on the Missile
    Combat list, some of whom are advocating a single society standard and
    that standard would be tube ammo. In fact some are actually advocating
    that we go to a single manufacturer! What is driving this is the fear
    that a fiberglass shaft will penetrate a blunt and then someone's eye. I
    and others have been trying to reassure them of the safety of fiberglass
    shafts when wedded to UHMW blunts. Some have actually come around to a
    point. Others lofted their opinions and then left. I have to say, a
    number of the posters on the list (CA proponents and anti-CA types) have
    been less than courteous.  Duke Lucan has posted an account by one of
    his squires stating that he was struck below his eye by a blunt-less
    shaft. So those that dislik
     e CA has an incident to point to.  EdV




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    From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.comTo:
    ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orgDate: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:58
    -0600Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?

    What information does anyone here have on this?  Sir Lyonel just posted
    this to the Chiv list.
     
    A number of knights in various kingdoms are pressing, lately, to ban
    fibreglass shaft ammunition and allow only 100# siloflex bolts and
    arrows on the battlefield. 
     
    I confess that I don?t frequent the SCA-wide lists, so I hadn?t heard of
    this until now.  Does this have a chance?  What is driving this?  Lyonel
    put a pool out to our list to get the opinion of our chivalry on it
    asking just one question??do you agree with this??  I don?t expect many
    of the Ansteorran chivalry to support such an idiotic (sorry?to strong a
    word?) proposal.  I just wanted to find out what anyone else might know
    about it.
     
    Thanks.
     
    Kenneth
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