[Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27
ld.blackmoon
ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Tue Dec 16 15:21:20 PST 2008
greetings
first let me say , that while several out of kingdom kings / dukes / knights have expressed strong desire to see combat archery done away with completely ,or heavily modified , usualy stating that it is for " safety reasons " .
however , i have to date seen no anti combat archery posts made by ansteorran knights !
yes , fear can ruin everything, but that sword cuts both ways. over reacting to false statements can cause just as much trouble as making false statements.
please don't let the words of a few loud nay sayers , prompt anything less than an honorable response .
remember , our kingdom , doesn't suffer so much from this sad disease.
i am not very familiar with other kingdoms ways or systems of honor , so i can't say for sure ,
but just maybe , at least in ansteorra, our people look at " honor and acting honorably " as more than something you swear to do once, and never have to think about again ??
perhaps putting your own " feelings " aside for the benifit of the kingdom isn't some strange thought brought on by too much drink .
but who knows ; )
keep going to events, keep having fun , the society just changed the combat rules, so i don't see them suddenly dropping combat archery .
be safe, be happy,have fun
arthur
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From: Glenn Long
To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27
It never fails. Fear ruins everything. I have been doing this for a heck
of a long time and have seen ZERO injuries due to combat archery. I have
seen injuries due to poor helmet fit, bad armor strapping, poor fighting
ability, lack of fitness, poor shield design, and about a dozen other
things. I think what we have is a bunch of "invincibles" who get their
panties in a wad because a lowly "peasant" can take them out with a well
placed shot. Their answer is to make arrows that SUCK! Why don't we just
make our swords out of siloflex too! That way no body can get hurt when
someone strikes them.
This is another example of why the SCA will one day be no better than a
role-playing fantasy group. Maybe we should all carry multi sided dice
and we can just throw them at each other!
Jeez....wussies suck the fun out of everything!
Reinhardt Stahlhelm
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:52:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Gideon <mg1m at swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
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Lucan's squire was the one struck/injured
Michel
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From: Ken Theriot <kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com>
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
<ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:48:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
Was it Lucan ( East Kingdom ) or Logan (Atlantia)?
?
Kenneth?
?
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From:Mike Gideon [mailto:mg1m at swbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:09 PM
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
?
But let it be know also that this incident was 2 years ago, and was
never reported to the MIC or CAMIC of the event in Atlantia.I believe.
?
Michel mac Donnchaid
KMM
?
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From:Mike Wyvill <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>
To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:25:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
Sir Kenneth,
?
It's true. There are a few?knights and masters?on the Missile Combat
list, some of whom are advocating a single society standard and that
standard would be tube ammo. In fact some are actually advocating that
we go to a single manufacturer!
?
What is driving this is the fear that a fiberglass shaft will penetrate
a blunt and then someone's eye. I and others have been trying to
reassure them of the safety of fiberglass shafts when wedded to UHMW
blunts. Some have actually come around to a point. Others lofted their
opinions and then left. I have to say, a number of the posters on the
list (CA proponents and anti-CA types) have been less than courteous.
?
Duke Lucan has posted an account by one of his squires stating that he
was struck below his eye by a blunt-less shaft. So those that dislike CA
has an incident to point to.
?
EdV
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?
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From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com
To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:58 -0600
Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
What information does anyone here have on this?? Sir Lyonel just posted
this to the Chiv list.
?
A number of knights in various kingdoms are pressing, lately, to ban
fibreglass shaft ammunition and allow only 100# siloflex bolts and
arrows on the battlefield.
?
I confess that I don?t frequent the SCA-wide lists, so I hadn?t heard of
this until now.? Does this have a chance?? What is driving this?? Lyonel
put a pool out to our list to get the opinion of our chivalry on it
asking just one question??do you agree with this??? I don?t expect many
of the Ansteorran chivalry to support such an idiotic (sorry?to strong a
word?) proposal.? I just wanted to find out what anyone else might know
about it.
?
Thanks.
?
Kenneth
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From: Mike Wyvill <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
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Duke Lucan.
EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me
From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.comTo:
ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orgDate: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:48:50
-0600Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
Was it Lucan (East Kingdom) or Logan (Atlantia)?
Kenneth
From: Mike Gideon [mailto:mg1m at swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16,
2008 3:09 PMTo: Archery within the Kingdom of AnsteorraSubject: Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
But let it be know also that this incident was 2 years ago, and was
never reported to the MIC or CAMIC of the event in Atlantia.I believe.
Michel mac Donnchaid
KMM
From: Mike Wyvill <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>To:
ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orgSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008
2:25:55 PMSubject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?Sir
Kenneth, It's true. There are a few knights and masters on the Missile
Combat list, some of whom are advocating a single society standard and
that standard would be tube ammo. In fact some are actually advocating
that we go to a single manufacturer! What is driving this is the fear
that a fiberglass shaft will penetrate a blunt and then someone's eye. I
and others have been trying to reassure them of the safety of fiberglass
shafts when wedded to UHMW blunts. Some have actually come around to a
point. Others lofted their opinions and then left. I have to say, a
number of the posters on the list (CA proponents and anti-CA types) have
been less than courteous. Duke Lucan has posted an account by one of
his squires stating that he was struck below his eye by a blunt-less
shaft. So those that dislik
e CA has an incident to point to. EdV
EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me
From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.comTo:
ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orgDate: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:58
-0600Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?
What information does anyone here have on this? Sir Lyonel just posted
this to the Chiv list.
A number of knights in various kingdoms are pressing, lately, to ban
fibreglass shaft ammunition and allow only 100# siloflex bolts and
arrows on the battlefield.
I confess that I don?t frequent the SCA-wide lists, so I hadn?t heard of
this until now. Does this have a chance? What is driving this? Lyonel
put a pool out to our list to get the opinion of our chivalry on it
asking just one question??do you agree with this?? I don?t expect many
of the Ansteorran chivalry to support such an idiotic (sorry?to strong a
word?) proposal. I just wanted to find out what anyone else might know
about it.
Thanks.
Kenneth
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