[Ansteorra-archery] Third Quarter 2008 Royal Round Keeper Report

Eadric Anstapa eadric at scabrewer.com
Mon Sep 8 12:51:10 PDT 2008

It all depends on the event, the site and what the range can 
accommodate, and quite honestly what the sponsoring branch wants to do.

Read the SCA-Archery yahoo group and there has been lots of talk lately 
about how many people just don't care for 5-color ring targets and how 
there should be alternatives.  I would say that given a change  most 
people if they aren't worried about achieving score ranking had rather 
do something other that a Royal Round at a FITA target.  Lets face it 
just about any mundane archery club, JOAN program, college archery 
class, Bow Scout camp, or YMCA camp can let ya shoot at a FITA targets.  
People are attracted to the SCA because they want something different 
that they can't find elsewhere.   So I don't blame folks when they want 
something less mundane  but the Royal Rounds DO allow a consistent 
method for archers to track their progress.

I wish we could accommodate Royal Rounds at ALL of our events but we 
cant.  At the Gates Edge event this past weekend we had 24 people in the 
tournament and the Seneca Run expanded this year to 7 stations with all 
but the last station being 3D animal targets and the last one being a 
IKCAC style shot.  People who have attended the event know how long the 
Seneca run can take, particularly if there are fairly novice shooters.  
For those who have joined us on the shoot think about what adding a 
single station to the run will do if a person has limited arrows and 
aren't progressing at a one-shot equals one-kill pace.  Even a former 
Royal Huntsman might take 5 minutes or more so when ya multiply that by 
24 competitors and add the extra time needed for more novice competitors 
it takes up a lot of time.   However I can see us ever doing away with 
the Seneca Run so people can have time to shoot Royal Rounds .  
Likewise  we aren't going to stop shooting clouts so people can shoot 
Royal Rounds. 

If we have time and can accommodate Royal Rounds at the event then we 
will always do so but at our single annual event our archery 
championship tournament comes first  and any thought of Royal Rounds 
comes second.  I think that often people come to our event precisely 
because we do more than just shoot at FITA targets or whatever kind of 
targets on flat target butts.  HL Leofwine of Sumersaeton was the winner 
this past weekend and he said that in court he had been waiting a long 
time to win this tournament.  He had to beast 23 other competitors 
including 3 other former Royal Huntsman to win it and personally I think 
it would have been a waste of those gentlemens talent of we had asked 
them to shoot at FITA targets.


jack spinks wrote:
> This is perhaps true but if you get the number on the line it can be 
> done fairly quickly.  We have done as high as 34 archers in 2 hours at 
> Warlord as part of the Bowman's tourney.  It generally takes about 30 
> minutes to shoot a Royal Round for a line of archers and you can 
> usually get at least 2 and sometimes as high as 4 archers per target 
> round.
> Jaque 
> --- On *Mon, 9/8/08, Mike Wyvill /<wyvillmike at hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>     From: Mike Wyvill <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Third Quarter 2008 Royal Round
>     Keeper Report
>     To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
>     <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>     Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 12:39 PM
>     The reason I have an average is that I shot an IKAC (and therefore
>     had a RR extracted from that) at Bordermarch Baronial. Some events
>     lend themselves to be able to do just as you suggest and I think
>     personally that it's a great idea. However not all events  can do
>     this. Having just helped run the Gate's Edge event this weekend,
>     we just had way too many people competing to make allowances for
>     folks to shoot RRs.
>     It's a great idea though.
>     Lord Engenulf de Vienville
>     Company of St. Sebastian
>     > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:22:37 -0500
>     > From: anovy at suddenlink.net
>     > To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>     > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Third Quarter 2008 Royal Round
>     Keeper Report
>     >
>     > I may have a different viewpoint than many on this list, but I
>     think it should be expressed.
>     >
>     > It is not a great concern of mine to increase my RR score. I am
>     more interested in having fun and using archery as a relaxing
>     diversion from my mundane life. As a result, I am not willing to
>     drive 3 or 4 hours roundtrip, even carpooling, to attend a special
>     practice just so I can get an away score. It takes two very
>     valuable resources: my money and my time. I think this recent push
>     to have special practices has replaced holding Royal Round shoots
>     at events.
>     >
>     > When I was in the Outlands, at any event at which archery was
>     held, there was also an opportunity to shoot a Royal Round (also,
>     sometimes events that had no other archery scheduled would still
>     hold a RR). Every effort was made to hold one. This made it much
>     easier for the casual archer to still participate and track his or
>     her scores, because if you're at the event anyway, why not shoot a
>     RR and get that away score? Heck, there was a time when my RR
>     score was made up of only away scores shot at events.
>     >
>     > I believe the Outlands policy was the correct way to go, which
>     is why since I started running archery at Mooneschadowe
>     Guardian/Triumphe 3 years ago, I have held a RR. I will be
>     continuing this tradition this year, and for as long as I run
>     archery for that event.
>     >
>     > People can hold special practices if they wish. I am not saying
>     they should stop. What I am saying is that you might be surprised
>     at how many more archers start submitting scores if you give them
>     the opportunity at events to do so.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     > Zorya Prazan
>     > Mooneschadowe Archery Marshal
>     >
>     >
>     > ---- Eadric Anstapa <eadric at scabrewer.com> wrote:
>     > > Great. The whole point was/is to encourage people to attend
>     some events
>     > > and interact archers outside of their home practice. When the
>     > > Ansteorran Royal Rounds were created it was noted that there
>     were some
>     > > really great archers that virtually never left their home
>     range. Those
>     > > really great archers are the ones that we almost want most to
>     go out and
>     > > and interact with other people because they are the ones that can
>     > > inspire everyone to to better and the ones that can share and
>     teach what
>     > > it took for them to get as good as they are.
>     > >
>     > > The Northern branches have started travelling around to each
>     others
>     > > practices in a carpool and thats perfect. Perhaps the Steppes
>     Marshals
>     > > can coordinate with the Emerald Keep marshals to do something
>     in Emerald
>     > > Keep. It's and easy drive and two hours away, there is no site
>     fee to
>     > > pay for a practice, and if ya load as many folks as ya can
>     into the most
>     > > fuel efficient car that ya can then it's not a bad day trip. The
>     > > Steppes archers then get an away score and they can share and
>     get to
>     > > know the Emerald Keep archers better.
>     > >
>     > > Regards,
>     > >
>     > > -EA
>     > >
>     >

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