[Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 33, Issue 14

Eadric Anstapa eadric at scabrewer.com
Tue Feb 10 08:51:49 PST 2009


ld.blackmoon wrote:
> greetings
>  
>  
> >How many quivers can I carry?
> as far as i can tell , as many as you want , but you can only have 15 
> arrows total in them .
Lets go along with the spirit of the convention that was negotiated by 
your King.  Please do not carry more than 15 pieces of ammo at a time 
onto the battlefield.

> >I can already see where this is going......next year there will be no 
> combat archery during the ravine battle.
> possibly , they do tend to refer to the ravine battle as " archers 
> shooting fish in a barrel .
> >
> its been around in one form or another for quite a while i believe, 
> they refer to it as an " equalizer " since it reduces the number of 
> possible kills by an archer , be happy, the most common version is x 
> number of arrows , period . no refills .
> >Who did it? (so I can send them a nasty e-mail)
> please dont ; )
> >What was the purpose?/What was the complaint that led to it?
> blame the whiners in the other kingdoms .
> ansteorra is one of the few kingdoms that seems to promote combat 
> archery 
> ( so maybe we have real men , not sissies ?? )
> this is just my opinion from reading too many posts on too many lists 
> , but .
>  
There is no reason to seek to blame anyone.


> you got " clear the bow " because heavies didnt like hitting " unarmed 
> archers " since you couldnt shoot them if they were too close.
> now your " armed " till your within sword range.
>  
No not the reason there is a clear to bow minimum range.  There has 
basically always been a clear the bow minimum range, except when there 
where non-contact participants on the field.  There were actually more 
kingdoms who had clear the bow as their minimum range as there were 
those that had something more.  When the decision was made that everyone 
needed to be armored the same and that there would be no more 
non-contact, there was no longer a need to have any minimum range 
greater than clear the bow.

The biggest reasons these changes were made is to avoid confusion.  
There were some kingdoms that marked non-contact people with Red Pheons, 
others still with White Diamonds,  some with plumes,  and there were 
some kingdoms that did not mark them at all and just said something like 
"all archers and siege engineers are non-contact".  When people go to 
foreign wars the conventions were not the same and non-contact people 
were getting smacked occasionally and those non-contact people would 
always cause a still ask for a marshals court, etc. when they got 
smacked accidentally or even just accidentally run over.  The easiest 
way to solve it was to simply say that there was a single armor 
standard, that there was no more non-contact and that everyone on the 
field was killed the same way.

Similarly there were the arguments of  "You were too close when you shot 
me!"  I saw it happen all the time in Ansteorra and we were all supposed 
to be familiar with the same Ansteorran rules. I would say that not a 
single year went buy without that argument.  Go to a war where some 
people are accustomed to clear the bow, others are accustomed to 10 ft, 
and others 15 ft.  and the arguments become more.   The easiest and I 
think the best way for us to address it in Ansteorra is to go with the 
Society standard that has been around for decades and simply say that  
there is no minimum range and that as long as the ammo can clear the bow 
safely you can fire.

There has been a big push everywhere to consolidate and simplify the 
rules and much as possible and where possible just use the Society 
Standards.  Not just for CA  but for other combat disciplines as well.

> you lost arrows because they only want to look at the fighter in front 
> of them and not keep an eye out for archers , in other words
> " archers kill too many people " i've even read that " it wasn't fair 
> because while a knight was busy killing 1 fighter , an archer could 
> kill 4 fighters including the knight , making the knight look bad ". 
> dont ask me , i dont understand either.
>  
I don't believe it is an issue of making any knight "look bad".  People 
don't like to die and be forced to make that hike back to res point.  
Effective archers will force them to make that hike more often.  The 
better the fighter the less accustomed there are for be forced to make 
that march back to res point and they die just like everyone else to 
archer fire.  In fact it can be argued that they die more often because 
our own shieldmen and spearmen are pointing at the person that is 
tearing them up and saying "Kill Him!" and we oblige them by doing so.  
So the knights, the counts, and the dukes probably get targeted more 
often because they present more of a  threat and our arrows are best 
spent killing them. 

In the long run it then becomes those same Knights, Counts, and Dukes 
that scream the loudest that archery should be banned.  They aren't 
accustomed to a peon like me being able to kill them 15 times in a 
ravine battle -- but of course they keep coming back to the same spot 
and harassing my same buddies, so they keep getting the same treatment.

> and you have to return to the res point to reload for 2 reasons .
> 1, to tire you out so that you dont hit your target as often / your 
> too tired to outrun them , and
> 2. they want the archers to " die " as often as the people they are 
> shooting , with the resultant walk back and forth .
>  
> apearantly , they believe that this willl give them more time on the 
> field without being shot at .
>  
> so when you get to those battles with ca , remember to use your amo 
> wisely, aim carefully , and shoot the silly whiner on the enemies  
> side ; )
>  
Clearly the goal is to reduce the effectiveness of CA in the Ravine 
battle.  So yes  I would say that we have been singled out in that 
respect and that by limiting it 15 pieces of ammo they have even gone so 
far as to  limit it to an unrealistically low ammo count. 

For me this means in the ravine battle I might walk to res point 20 
times just to reload since I can go through 300 pieces of ammo in the 
battle.  Yep, that stinks to be forced to go back to res point without 
being killed.  I feel that if they wanted to force me back to res point 
they should kill me or get their archers to kill me.  But our Crowns and 
decided and agreed to this so we will abide by it.   The only other 
choice you have is to simply not do CA  and that is of course exactly 
what they would like for you to do.

-EA
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