[Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery

Thu Feb 12 20:45:58 PST 2009

I count this a 1 for 1 against and a while lot of "I don't care"

:)

Any other votes/opinions, you can send them to me privately if you 
prefer at caladin at io.com.

Thanks,

 Caladin-

Mike wrote:
> To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to 
> practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the 
> size of this Kingdom.
> So, still not valid.
>
> Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" - 
> otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I 
> thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "
>
>
> Michael Kettering
>
>
> Richard Threlkeld wrote:
>> Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood by your
>> archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. So "12,
>> 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the left. They
>> know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, but they
>> don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.
>>
>> In service,
>> Caelin on Andrede
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org
>> [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra
>> .org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM
>> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
>>
>> Heilsa,
>>
>> To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands - 
>> which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!
>>
>> This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a 
>> mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No 
>> Surprise."
>>
>> Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the 
>> photos! Not worth the effort!
>>
>>
>> Michael Kettering
>>
>>
>> Eric Brown wrote:
>>   
>>> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to Y'all 
>>> about.
>>>
>>> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals 
>>> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the 
>>> 15 piece of armor rule
>>> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to 
>>> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine 
>>> battle, while still letting our archers get out
>>> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant 
>>> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness, 
>>> but to lessen the drama.
>>>
>>> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields 
>>> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like 
>>> Christmas morning to good archers  :).
>>> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my 
>>> crossbow :)
>>>
>>> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about 
>>> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot 
>>> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.
>>> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try 
>>> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the 
>>> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,
>>> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare, 
>>> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have rattling 
>>> about in my gourd.
>>>
>>> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed 
>>> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So 
>>> my real question is,
>>> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled together in 
>>> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the 
>>> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?
>>>
>>> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most 
>>> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the 
>>> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble, 
>>> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then 
>>> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or whatever 
>>> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they 
>>> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and 
>>> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have 
>>> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show 
>>> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in 
>>> case you were worried about that..
>>>
>>> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone 
>>> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to 
>>> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.
>>>
>>> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and 
>>> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best 
>>> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.
>>>
>>> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?
>>>
>>> Caladin-
>>> Generalisimo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Wyvill wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,
>>>>  
>>>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. And 
>>>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the 
>>>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke 
>>>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen 
>>>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this 
>>>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up 
>>>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that 
>>>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.
>>>>  
>>>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will 
>>>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need 
>>>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that. 
>>>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him 
>>>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the 
>>>> ravine when asked.
>>>>  
>>>> EdV
>>>>       
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