[Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood TargetArcheryCompetitions

Greg Coffman baroniago at earthlink.net
Sat Jan 17 21:03:54 PST 2009


I will come to support my barony. I will not participate because I  
can no longer draw my recurve due to a shoulder injury. If it were in  
another group, I wouldn't spend the money on the gas.

Iago
On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Ken Theriot wrote:

> Thanks Arthur!  I seem to have read all these replies in reverse  
> order, so though I was certain I was going to limit it to “hand- 
> bows” (thanks for the question there) only on the target shoots,  
> I’m also getting a hint that some cross-bow people might feel  
> excluded if we do that.  Sigh.  I definitely want this to be fun  
> AND as inclusive as can be.  And we want ALL the shoots to be  
> happen (safely;)) in the view of spectators in a “gallery” area.   
> The more different stuff that is going on, it seems to me, the more  
> confusing it would be for the gallery.
>
>
>
> Since I haven’t made the decision yet, maybe I could take a poll of  
> cross-bow target folks on this list to see how many WOULDN’T come  
> to the event if we made it hand-bow only, but who otherwise WOULD  
> have come.  If that number is low or non-existent, I’ll probably  
> stay with the hand-bow only.  But if 5 or 6 archers say they’re not  
> coming due to the exclusion, I would look at including cross-bow.
>
>
>
> You don’t have to post it here.  Feel free to e-mail me at  
> kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com if you’d like.
>
>
>
> Oh, and again I want to make it clear that the armored combat  
> archery WILL include cross-bows as usual.  Just in case there was  
> any question.
>
>
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
>
> Kenneth
>
>
>
> From: ld.blackmoon [mailto:ld.blackmoon at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:27 PM
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood  
> TargetArcheryCompetitions
>
>
>
> greetings
>
>
>
> >This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to  
> limit the target competitions (we’ll be doing target stuff with  
> both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long  
> bow.
>
> would that be long bow as in  longbow only ? or longbow as in  
> longbow / recurve ?? or some variant ?
>
> >However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even  
> shoot it exclusively for target.  How is this handled in “regular”  
> target competitions?
>
> themed shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing is ,as  
> you stated , some people prefer one style over the other , some  
> like myself  are trying to master as many styles as we have  
> equipment . anyway , the key is to try to ballance your shoots so  
> that no single style has all of the advantages . normaly one shoot  
> will be given over to he " theme " of the event , normaly the title  
> shoot.
>
> if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really should  
> publish the details well in advance .
>
> >Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same  
> target and distance wouldn’t they?
>
> only if you plan it that way ...
>
> there are 4 very easy ways to handicap crossbows to help ballance a  
> shoot in target archery.
>
> 1. timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than recurve or  
> longbow
>
> 2. distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances , not  
> so well at unknown  distances
>
> 3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to get " zeroed in " if they  
> dont know the distance , this takes shots to do , most crossbow  
> archers will need aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a  
> realy good crossbowman  zero in 2 shots
>
> 4, cold shoot = remember almost all archers like the advantage of  
> having a known distance , and will pace off the targets if given  
> the chance .
>
>
>
> there are also ways to " handicap " longbow / recurve archers as  
> well , it mainly lies in knowing " how " each bow type operates .
>
> >Am I off-base here?
>
> that would be for you to decide , just remember to try to keep  
> archery as an " inclusive " activity , and not an exclusive  
> activity.bad feelings cause people to avoid events they would  
> otherwise attend .
>
> crossbow envy is usualy caused because marshals don't understand  
> how  crossbows work .
>
> >I don’t have the competition experience to know for sure what to  
> do here
>
> the bottom line is, have fun ,  if you are the marshal in charge ,  
> its your shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety  
> issue , or a nobility issue
>
> (  you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at 9 am or his magesty  
> wishes to watch x activity , but wont be available till 3pm )
>
> no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be closed for  
> safety issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety  
> issues.
>
> but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the the fun,  
> safety, and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and  
> spectators at your event .
>
>
>
> >Any input appreciated.
>
> ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts may ( and  
> probably will ; ) vary .
>
>
>
> good luck on your event !!
>
>
>
> be safe, be happy, have fun
>
> arthur
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ken Theriot
>
> To: 'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'
>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:50 PM
>
> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target  
> ArcheryCompetitions
>
>
>
> Hey Everyone,
>
>
>
> I was at our event planning meeting last night and talking about  
> the archery competitions.  There will be several “novelty-shoots”  
> for target archery, but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted  
> to ask the experts about something.  I’m relatively new to target  
> (though I’ve been doing CA regularly for a few years).
>
>
>
> This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to  
> limit the target competitions (we’ll be doing target stuff with  
> both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long  
> bow.  I know cross-bows existed in this period, but it just isn’t  
> in the “idiom” (zeitgeist?) of Robin Hood.  Also, there is  
> currently a set number of archery prizes…one for overall target  
> archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for “in-armor-actually- 
> fighting” CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into two (one  
> for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a lot  
> harder to do.  However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross- 
> bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target.  How is this handled  
> in “regular” target competitions?
>
>
>
> Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same  
> target and distance wouldn’t they?  It would make sense to me that  
> the two types of weapons would have to either have their own  
> competitions, or have different distances for the same target.   
> Regardless of either situation, it seems like it would be  
> exponentially difficult, given our full schedule, to have both  
> weapons in the target archery competition.  Am I off-base here?   
> Honestly, though I have participated in several “fun” shoots at SCA  
> events, have set up a range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I  
> don’t have the competition experience to know for sure what to do  
> here.
>
>
>
> Any input appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Kenneth
>
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