[Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood TargetArchery Competitions
Len Billett
lordleno666 at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 16 21:25:45 PST 2009
so where and when is this competition?
Len Billett
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1. Re: Question About Sherwood TargetArchery Competitions
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:02:13 -0600
From: Greg Coffman <baroniago at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood TargetArchery
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Are you willing to disallow all recurves too? All horsebows? If
anyone shows up with a bow other than one carved from a single stick
of wood, is it disallowed? Or is it JUST crossbows?
Iago
On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Ken Theriot wrote:
> Thanks! So there is precedence;). I?m definitely leaning that
> way. I just want to make sure it isn?t a huge problem. We?ll
> still be using cross-bows for combat archery in the afternoon melees.
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> I believe that in Gates Edge a few years ago it was stated that due
> to the theme only crossbows could be used to be named champion.
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> From: kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com
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> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:50:49 -0600
> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target Archery
> Competitions
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> Hey Everyone,
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> I was at our event planning meeting last night and talking about
> the archery competitions. There will be several ?novelty-shoots?
> for target archery, but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted
> to ask the experts about something. I?m relatively new to target
> (though I?ve been doing CA regularly for a few years).
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> This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to
> limit the target competitions (we?ll be doing target stuff with
> both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long
> bow. I know cross-bows existed in this period, but it just isn?t
> in the ?idiom? (zeitgeist?) of Robin Hood. Also, there is
> currently a set number of archery prizes?one for overall target
> archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for ?in-armor-actually-
> fighting? CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into two (one
> for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a lot
> harder to do. However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-
> bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled
> in ?regular? target competitions?
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> Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same
> target and distance wouldn?t they? It would make sense to me that
> the two types of weapons would have to either have their own
> competitions, or have different distances for the same target.
> Regardless of either situation, it seems like it would be
> exponentially difficult, given our full schedule, to have both
> weapons in the target archery competition. Am I off-base here?
> Honestly, though I have participated in several ?fun? shoots at SCA
> events, have set up a range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I
> don?t have the competition experience to know for sure what to do
> here.
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> Any input appreciated.
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> Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:27:10 -0600
From: "ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target
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greetings
>This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the target competitions (we'll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow.
would that be long bow as in longbow only ? or longbow as in longbow / recurve ?? or some variant ?
>However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled in "regular" target competitions?
themed shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing is ,as you stated , some people prefer one style over the other , some like myself are trying to master as many styles as we have equipment . anyway , the key is to try to ballance your shoots so that no single style has all of the advantages . normaly one shoot will be given over to he " theme " of the event , normaly the title shoot.
if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really should publish the details well in advance .
>Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target and distance wouldn't they?
only if you plan it that way ...
there are 4 very easy ways to handicap crossbows to help ballance a shoot in target archery.
1. timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than recurve or longbow
2. distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances , not so well at unknown distances
3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to get " zeroed in " if they dont know the distance , this takes shots to do , most crossbow archers will need aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a realy good crossbowman zero in 2 shots
4, cold shoot = remember almost all archers like the advantage of having a known distance , and will pace off the targets if given the chance .
there are also ways to " handicap " longbow / recurve archers as well , it mainly lies in knowing " how " each bow type operates .
>Am I off-base here?
that would be for you to decide , just remember to try to keep archery as an " inclusive " activity , and not an exclusive activity.bad feelings cause people to avoid events they would otherwise attend .
crossbow envy is usualy caused because marshals don't understand how crossbows work .
>I don't have the competition experience to know for sure what to do here
the bottom line is, have fun , if you are the marshal in charge , its your shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety issue , or a nobility issue
( you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at 9 am or his magesty wishes to watch x activity , but wont be available till 3pm )
no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be closed for safety issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety issues.
but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the the fun, safety, and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and spectators at your event .
>Any input appreciated.
ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts may ( and probably will ; ) vary .
good luck on your event !!
be safe, be happy, have fun
arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Theriot
To: 'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target ArcheryCompetitions
Hey Everyone,
I was at our event planning meeting last night and talking about the archery competitions. There will be several "novelty-shoots" for target archery, but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted to ask the experts about something. I'm relatively new to target (though I've been doing CA regularly for a few years).
This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the target competitions (we'll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow. I know cross-bows existed in this period, but it just isn't in the "idiom" (zeitgeist?) of Robin Hood. Also, there is currently a set number of archery prizes.one for overall target archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for "in-armor-actually-fighting" CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into two (one for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a lot harder to do. However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled in "regular" target competitions?
Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target and distance wouldn't they? It would make sense to me that the two types of weapons would have to either have their own competitions, or have different distances for the same target. Regardless of either situation, it seems like it would be exponentially difficult, given our full schedule, to have both weapons in the target archery competition. Am I off-base here? Honestly, though I have participated in several "fun" shoots at SCA events, have set up a range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I don't have the competition experience to know for sure what to do here.
Any input appreciated.
Thanks!
Kenneth
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