[Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood TargetArcheryCompetitions

Sat Jan 17 18:29:40 PST 2009

Thanks Arthur!  I seem to have read all these replies in reverse order, so
though I was certain I was going to limit it to "hand-bows" (thanks for the
question there) only on the target shoots, I'm also getting a hint that some
cross-bow people might feel excluded if we do that.  Sigh.  I definitely
want this to be fun AND as inclusive as can be.  And we want ALL the shoots
to be happen (safely;)) in the view of spectators in a "gallery" area.  The
more different stuff that is going on, it seems to me, the more confusing it
would be for the gallery.  

Since I haven't made the decision yet, maybe I could take a poll of
cross-bow target folks on this list to see how many WOULDN'T come to the
event if we made it hand-bow only, but who otherwise WOULD have come.  If
that number is low or non-existent, I'll probably stay with the hand-bow
only.  But if 5 or 6 archers say they're not coming due to the exclusion, I
would look at including cross-bow.  

You don't have to post it here.  Feel free to e-mail me at
kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com if you'd like.

Oh, and again I want to make it clear that the armored combat archery WILL
include cross-bows as usual.  Just in case there was any question.

Thanks again!

Kenneth

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From: ld.blackmoon [mailto:ld.blackmoon at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:27 PM
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood
TargetArcheryCompetitions

greetings 

>This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the
target competitions (we'll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA
stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow.

would that be long bow as in  longbow only ? or longbow as in longbow /
recurve ?? or some variant ?

>However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it
exclusively for target.  How is this handled in "regular" target
competitions?    

themed shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing is ,as you
stated , some people prefer one style over the other , some like myself  are
trying to master as many styles as we have equipment . anyway , the key is
to try to ballance your shoots so that no single style has all of the
advantages . normaly one shoot will be given over to he " theme " of the
event , normaly the title shoot.

if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really should publish the
details well in advance .

>Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target
and distance wouldn't they?

only if you plan it that way ...

there are 4 very easy ways to handicap crossbows to help ballance a shoot in
target archery.

1. timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than recurve or longbow

2. distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances , not so well
at unknown  distances

3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to get " zeroed in " if they dont
know the distance , this takes shots to do , most crossbow archers will need
aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a realy good crossbowman
zero in 2 shots

4, cold shoot = remember almost all archers like the advantage of having a
known distance , and will pace off the targets if given the chance .

there are also ways to " handicap " longbow / recurve archers as well , it
mainly lies in knowing " how " each bow type operates .

>Am I off-base here? 

that would be for you to decide , just remember to try to keep archery as an
" inclusive " activity , and not an exclusive activity.bad feelings cause
people to avoid events they would otherwise attend .

crossbow envy is usualy caused because marshals don't understand how
crossbows work .

>I don't have the competition experience to know for sure what to do here

the bottom line is, have fun ,  if you are the marshal in charge , its your
shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety issue , or a
nobility issue 

(  you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at 9 am or his magesty wishes
to watch x activity , but wont be available till 3pm )

no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be closed for safety
issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety issues.

but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the the fun, safety,
and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and spectators at
your event .

>Any input appreciated.

ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts may ( and probably
will ; ) vary .

good luck on your event !!

be safe, be happy, have fun

arthur

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ken <mailto:kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com>  Theriot 

To: 'Archery within the Kingdom of
<mailto:ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>  Ansteorra' 

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:50 PM

Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target
ArcheryCompetitions

Hey Everyone,

I was at our event planning meeting last night and talking about the archery
competitions.  There will be several "novelty-shoots" for target archery,
but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted to ask the experts about
something.  I'm relatively new to target (though I've been doing CA
regularly for a few years).  

This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the
target competitions (we'll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA
stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow.  I know cross-bows
existed in this period, but it just isn't in the "idiom" (zeitgeist?) of
Robin Hood.  Also, there is currently a set number of archery prizes.one for
overall target archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for
"in-armor-actually-fighting" CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into
two (one for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a lot
harder to do.  However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or
even shoot it exclusively for target.  How is this handled in "regular"
target competitions?    

Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target
and distance wouldn't they?  It would make sense to me that the two types of
weapons would have to either have their own competitions, or have different
distances for the same target.  Regardless of either situation, it seems
like it would be exponentially difficult, given our full schedule, to have
both weapons in the target archery competition.  Am I off-base here?
Honestly, though I have participated in several "fun" shoots at SCA events,
have set up a range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I don't have the
competition experience to know for sure what to do here.

Any input appreciated.

Thanks!

Kenneth 

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