[Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
Donnchadh Beag mac Griogair
donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us
Wed Nov 18 11:08:50 PST 2009
Again, that all depends on that particular Crown. I know that at least
one in the recent past did not involve CA. Some Crowns really want an
archer by their side in battle, for others it's not a high priority.
Donnchadh
ld.blackmoon wrote:
> greetings
>
> yes , you would have to purchase , or borrow combat legal equipment
> that matches ( you aren't allowed to use rapier legal gloves, with
> a rapier helm, and heavy missiles ) , no , you do not have to be
> heavy or rapier missile combat authorized to shoot in the royal
> huntsman tourney, twice a year ( once per reign ) .
>
> i believe the inclusion was to get more people involved in combat
> archery , since it is so popular at gulf war .
> which is also why i believe the requirement to go to gulf war and
> fight c/a with the king was originaly added .
> to boost ansteorras numbers at that war .
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
> Arthur
>
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> *From:* Paradox <mailto:dyrinth at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
>
> Greetings,
> So if I understand all this correctly, should I or anyone else
> that should ever want to compete in a royal huntsman tourney that
> does not do any combat; we must go out and amass a number of
> useless items and also another useless get authorization for
> combat for a single compettion held once a year?
> If this event was based history; wasn't a royal huntsman the
> gamekeeper/hunter and provided the game for the feasts to the
> royalty and was not the leader of the archers in combat; therefore
> wasn't in a combat situation.
> Curious if combat archery belongs on a combat field, why does it
> need to added to an non-combat based shoot?
>
> Lucien
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Mike /<meggiddo at netzero.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike <meggiddo at netzero.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
> <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:17 PM
>
> Heilsa,
>
> Actually the cost of a starter helm can be less than $100.00.
> There is one web site that listed their basic helm starting at
> $70.
>
>
>
> Michael Kettering
>
>
>
> Patrick R wrote:
>>
>> While I have a great deal of respect for combat archers, some
>> archers do not wish to be combat archers. The expense
>> involved, the necessity to be combat authorized, the limited
>> number of times you will participate compared with the cost
>> involved, the frustration of your hits not being called all
>> add up to reasons some do not want to be combat archers. The
>> more I read, the more it seems that the Huntsman is centered
>> around combat archers or those who do both combat and target.
>> The cost of just the helm for combat is more than the total
>> start up cost to become competitive for target
>> archery(someone can get competitive equipment for less than
>> $165, bow/arrows/arm/finger guard).
>>
>> It seems we are trying to exclude the largest group of
>> archers who can compete for a Kingdom archery title. If the
>> kingdom wants the Huntsman to be another of the old boy group
>> (those who use big sticks) so be it, I can live with that but
>> lets call it what it is.
>>
>> Dante
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Doug Copley /<doug.copley at gmail.com>/*
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
>> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
>> <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:33 AM
>>
>> One thing that might help in these discussions is a
>> better definition of what is the Royal Huntsman.
>>
>> I have seen several people express their opinion of what
>> the position is and how they view it but it would help if
>> there was a better description that was posted so that
>> the entire Kingdom would have the same understanding.
>>
>> In my mind, part of the problem is that we have 3
>> different groups that are or can be involved in this and
>> all of this going back-and-forth and saying that it may,
>> might, could, possibly, include certain types of shooting
>> is actually bad for the tourney, the title, and the
>> archery community. I think it makes us look disorganized,
>> leaderless, and fragmented, all of which is bad.
>>
>> The 3 groups are:
>> 1. Target archers that ONLY do target archery. I believe
>> that this is the largest group.
>> 2. Combat archers that ONLY do combat archery. I believe
>> that this is the smallest group.
>> 3. Archers that do BOTH combat and target archery. I
>> believe that this group is right in the middle as far as
>> numbers.
>>
>> If the objective is to find a combat archer to go to war
>> with the King & Queen then the Tourney should be a CA
>> Tourney. If the objective is to find the best TA then it
>> should be a TA Tourney. If the objective is a combination
>> then it should be a CA / TA Tourney and it should be
>> announced that it will be and if only one person shows up
>> with all of the gear and is able to compete in all of it
>> they win.
>>
>> If we look at the other martial skills champions they may
>> have some things that vary and formats that might change
>> slightly but they also have a number of things that are
>> ALWAYS included and it is known that they must have
>> certain items in order to compete. We should organize
>> ourselves and do the same thing.
>>
>> We should focus on skill type shooting of various
>> distances, and specify what is required to compete for
>> Royal Huntsman. Do we want to say that only TA or only CA
>> is required or that both are required, what about
>> shooting period and requiring that you must shoot
>> longbow, or maybe longbow and crossbow and combat! (No, I
>> am not kidding, for Chivalric they must fight with
>> multiple weapons in order to compete so there is precedence).
>>
>> If the title is for the top Kingdom archer of all forms
>> archery and that they are supposed to go to war with the
>> King & Queen and they are supposed to fill the Royal
>> table with meat then we should require that to compete
>> for the title you MUST compete with multiple forms of
>> archery and bows. If the title is different (Huntsman =
>> Hunter = TA ONLY) then we need to base the tourney on
>> what the definition is.
>>
>> My apologies for this being so long but I believe that
>> this is important to the entire archery community and
>> should be addressed. I have looked for a clear concise
>> description that would settle the discussion but was
>> unable to find one.
>>
>> When responding, please do not use "Well normally we have
>> included ...", we need to focus not on what was done in
>> the past but what should be done and what we want to do
>> in the future, where do we want this to be in 5 years,
>> what do we want to be accomplished in 3 years, how can we
>> make this grow?
>>
>> YIS,
>> Vincenti da Murano
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