[Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman

ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Wed Nov 18 11:19:07 PST 2009


greetings 

>Again, that all depends on that particular Crown <
yes,
but most including what we are hearing so far for this one, is bring the c/a equipment weather or not it will be used, which means that he would have to buy or borrow it , in order to bring it .
> I know that at least one in the recent past did not involve CA <
yep, has also been one king with no travel requirement as well, unfortunatly for me , on that day h.l. eadric was a better archer than i was ; )

oh , ps since i forgot to add it to the original reply, you would not need an authorization since the royal huntsman competition , traditionaly shoots at ikcac type targets , and not at people .
if however you were to win the competition, and wish to activly participate in combat archery , then yes,
 you would need a combat archery authorization as well.
sorry for any confusion.

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
Arthur
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Donnchadh Beag mac Griogair 
  To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman


  Again, that all depends on that particular Crown.  I know that at least one in the recent past did not involve CA.  Some Crowns really want an archer by their side in battle, for others it's not a high priority.

  Donnchadh

  ld.blackmoon wrote: 
    greetings 

    yes , you would have to purchase , or borrow combat legal equipment that matches ( you aren't allowed to use rapier legal gloves, with a rapier helm, and heavy  missiles ) , no , you do not have to be heavy or rapier missile combat authorized to shoot in the royal huntsman tourney, twice a year ( once per reign ) .

    i believe the inclusion was to get more people involved in combat archery , since it is so popular at gulf war .
    which is also why i believe the requirement to go to gulf war and fight c/a with the king was originaly added .
    to boost ansteorras numbers at that war .

    Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
    Arthur
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Paradox 
      To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra 
      Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:40 PM
      Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman


            Greetings,
               So if I understand all this correctly, should I or anyone else that should ever want to compete in a royal huntsman tourney that does not do any combat; we must go out and amass a number of useless items and also another useless get authorization for combat  for a single compettion held once a year? 
              If this event was based history; wasn't a royal huntsman the gamekeeper/hunter and provided the game for the feasts to the royalty and was not the leader of the archers in combat; therefore wasn't in a combat situation. 
             Curious if combat archery  belongs on a combat field, why does it need to added to an non-combat based shoot?

            Lucien

            --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Mike <meggiddo at netzero.net> wrote:


              From: Mike <meggiddo at netzero.net>
              Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
              To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
              Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:17 PM


              Heilsa,

              Actually the cost of a starter helm can be less than $100.00. There is one web site that listed their basic helm starting at $70. 



              Michael Kettering



              Patrick R wrote: 
                      While I have a great deal of respect for combat archers, some archers do not wish to be combat archers. The expense involved, the necessity to be combat authorized, the limited number of times you will participate compared with the cost involved, the frustration of your hits not being called all add up to reasons some do not want to be combat archers. The more I read, the more it seems that the Huntsman is centered around combat archers or those who do both combat and target. The cost of just the helm for combat is more than the total start up cost to become competitive for target archery(someone can get competitive equipment for less than $165, bow/arrows/arm/finger guard). 


                      It seems we are trying to exclude the largest group of archers who can compete for a Kingdom archery title. If the kingdom wants the Huntsman to be another of the old boy group (those who use big sticks) so be it, I can live with that but lets call it what it is. 


                      Dante 




                      --- On Wed, 11/18/09, Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com> wrote:



                        From: Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com>
                        Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman
                        To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
                        Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:33 AM


                        One thing that might help in these discussions is a better definition of what is the Royal Huntsman.

                        I have seen several people express their opinion of what the position is and how they view it but it would help if there was a better description that was posted so that the entire Kingdom would have the same understanding.

                        In my mind, part of the problem is that we have 3 different groups that are or can be involved in this and all of this going back-and-forth and saying that it may, might, could, possibly, include certain types of shooting is actually bad for the tourney, the title, and the archery community. I think it makes us look disorganized, leaderless, and fragmented, all of which is bad.

                        The 3 groups are:
                        1. Target archers that ONLY do target archery. I believe that this is the largest group.
                        2. Combat archers that ONLY do combat archery. I believe that this is the smallest group.
                        3. Archers that do BOTH combat and target archery. I believe that this group is right in the middle as far as numbers.

                        If the objective is to find a combat archer to go to war with the King & Queen then the Tourney should be a CA Tourney. If the objective is to find the best TA then it should be a TA Tourney. If the objective is a combination then it should be a CA / TA Tourney and it should be announced that it will be and if only one person shows up with all of the gear and is able to compete in all of it they win.

                        If we look at the other martial skills champions they may have some things that vary and formats that might change slightly but they also have a number of things that are ALWAYS included and it is known that they must have certain items in order to compete. We should organize ourselves and do the same thing.

                        We should focus on skill type shooting of various distances, and specify what is required to compete for Royal Huntsman. Do we want to say that only TA or only CA is required or that both are required, what about shooting period and requiring that you must shoot longbow, or maybe longbow and crossbow and combat! (No, I am not kidding, for Chivalric they must fight with multiple weapons in order to compete so there is precedence).

                        If the title is for the top Kingdom archer of all forms archery and that they are supposed to go to war with the King & Queen and they are supposed to fill the Royal table with meat then we should require that to compete for the title you MUST compete with multiple forms of archery and bows. If the title is different (Huntsman = Hunter = TA ONLY) then we need to base the tourney on what the definition is.

                        My apologies for this being so long but I believe that this is important to the entire archery community and should be addressed. I have looked for a clear concise description that would settle the discussion but was unable to find one.

                        When responding, please do not use "Well normally we have included ...", we need to focus not on what was done in the past but what should be done and what we want to do in the future, where do we want this to be in 5 years, what do we want to be accomplished in 3 years, how can we make this grow?

                        YIS,
                        Vincenti da Murano
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