[Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: RoyalHuntsman - Special Tourney Rules***

Patrick R tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 16 15:34:31 PST 2012


Exactly, we had people going around to let people know they had the option of coming by when was good for them. Shoot as much as you want or run off to another activity. It means having someone available all day to keep the names and scores straight but it was worth it. 

--- On Thu, 2/16/12, Joey <xferdesk at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Joey <xferdesk at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: RoyalHuntsman - Special Tourney Rules***
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 5:17 PM




Now there's an idea. So basically they can check in at any time, play the course (so to speak), and go on about their business. As long as everyone is clear on who to check in with to start, that would be something to try out.

On Feb 16, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Patrick R <tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:










There was an off the wall idea we tried a few years ago and while it was not perfect it may have some small parts that will work for people. At one baronial we were asked late if we wanted to run an archery tournament at the event. Since there was no time available to slot us in we had an open time frame for the people to compete. The range was open all day for anyone to shoot and if you were competing in something else and wanted to also do archery we would fit you in to a time that was good for you. We would set up targets based on when the person could be there and the rest of the time was used for an open shoot. Since it only took a few minutes for an individual to shoot one round it did not hinder the open range time at all. While it was a nightmare for the marshal (me) we had over 25 people compete and still and over 25 more just shoot for fun. If you ever do something like that make sure you have a couple of people at least to run the range. It
 allowed people who were doing heavy fighting or anything else to participate and compete which is something that rarely happens because the times conflict. 
  
Just a thought 
Dante
--- On Thu, 2/16/12, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:


From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: RoyalHuntsman - Special Tourney Rules***
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 1:47 PM






greetings 
 
as you point out, timing is the key, that and marshal skills.
 
a " championship tourney doesn't have to take all day, neither for combat nor for target archery.
the key is to have other shoots at other times for the novice and general skill level shooters, and even the top flight shooters .
and be willing to drop anyone not shooting at a certain level quickly, 
I think the fastest title shoot I ever saw went from 30 competitors to 2 competitors in 3 rounds, those 2 shot the 4th round  ( top 1/2 , top 1/2 , top 2 ) ( less than 2 hours total  )
it was also one of the fastest moving , most exciting shoots I have ever participated in . if you lost an arrow, you better have another in your quiver, no chasing arrows until after the tourney, if you didn't you handicapped yourself to however many arrows you had left ( 6 arrows per round, unless you had lost some )
 
so theoretically yes you could do both tourneys in one day , and still have other things going on. 
do the combat archery tourney in the morning, list fighting all day, and target archery in the afternoon. and still have time for feast , court etc. ; )
and you wouldn't have to limit the combat archery tourney to just archers battles, since theoretically some of the fighters would want to warm up before the list fighting began .
 
 
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
 
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joey 
To: jim hodek ; Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: RoyalHuntsman - Special Tourney Rules***



With great respect to HL Gunnar,

A wonderful idea. But I see a small hiccup with two different tourneys being held simultaneously. The people that like to shoot both combat and target would be forced to miss one of the tournaments. If they were held one after the other then that would make for REALLY long day (considering how long archery tournaments usually take). And if there is chivalric going on that day as well, then maybe some CA might have to miss out due to heavy or light fighting. One day i may get into CA and if there were two archery tourneys one after another i would be really excited that i got to participate and learn that much more. But im sure there are some out there that do not share my enthusiasm and might be a little upset about being on a field for 6 hours or so, or possibly skipping a competition (if they were held simultaneously). That being said, trial and error are always a great learning tool (as long as safety comes first).

If my services are needed, i will not hesitate

Griffin Fane


From: jim hodek
Sent: 2/16/2012 8:43 AM
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: RoyalHuntsman - Special Tourney Rules***



Well said Arthur. Again I have seen good pros and cons about my two cents worth of suggesting that two champions be chosen, one for target and one for CA. Personnally I think it would only further the Archery community as it gives more word fame. Secondly if both tournaments were held simultaneously, it would give the crown and their heirs a chance to see both the target archers who would be representing them at War and the CA archers who would be supporting them and our army.
 
As far as who stands behind the thrown, what does it matter! If they were both present, let them switch off if it is an issue.
 
Combat Archery is a whole different animal than target archery, on the field you ARE shooting at moving targets, you ARE moving yourself to avoid the heavy chivalric fighter whos duty is to kill the archers and you ARE dodging thos nasty archers on the other side who are trying to shoot you before you take out too many of their fighters or archers. A static Ikcac target in a competition is no more than equal to shooting a crossbow verses a longbow in a target competition (i.e. different arrow/bolt weight and different aim point). So what I am saying is "Good Job Vincente for making it more realistic." 
 
This Royal Huntsman tournament is set and has the Crowns approval, so and issues with it are moot. Let's go on from here and discuss different options or not. Maybe we can convince all the archers in the kingdom to attend the next Round Table, or at least a representative from each Region/Barony/Shire and bring our ideas to the Crown.
 
Again, my two cents worth,
 
HL Gunnar haukr
NR Missile Marshal     





From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***

greetings

which is why it may be time to look at discussion on separating the two communities .
the combat archers have spent years trying to grow their community, to get away from the " target archery " image ,to earn the respect of the heavy weapons community.
yes , a lot of combat archers come from the target archery community , but by no means all of them do.
while they have grown greatly in number,and their level of respect among ansteorran heavy communities has risen greatly , they are still not often given the acclaim and word fame that say spearmen , or shield men are accorded.
this seems to have led to the combat archery community falling back on the target archers for support , which puts them right back in the " target archery " image they have been fighting to avoid.
while they are on the field of war surrounded by knights, and crowns, and other heavy weapons fighters , they are given ample opportunities to shine and display their skill ( how many kingdoms have plate is proof, or face shot only rules ?? )
they deserve all the word fame anyone can give them, I know I couldn't hit a four inch square at 30 yards on a moving target with what safety allows for combat archery equipment . as has been stated , its a whole different skill set, different mind set, etc.

in ansteorra, the royal huntsman tourney has traditionally been the only time many crowns set foot on a range, and spend most of one whole day watching the target archers.
who are called on at war to do things like team up with another archer,( with out prior practice teaming ) and while one shoots the balloon, the other has to put an arrow in the picture frame to stop it from falling after the balloon is hit .......
or spend an entire day running the ranges, or compete with other kingdoms best archers .

is there a simple answer ? someone smarter than I may know, but perhaps by politely discussing the possibilities, we can come to some kind of agreement on what might work ,and then suggest it to the crowns for further thought ???

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur

----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Edwards" <wilim.penbras at pandora.org>
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***


> Hi Guys,
>      Most of you don't know me and that's a wonderful thing.  It means the communties grown nicely since I left the Kingdom.  So ... uhm....  BIG Stink over the RH Tourney.
> 
>      I know a lot of people aren't CA authorized and the current format for the Huntsman Tourney is placing A LOT, like Supreme Value on CA. So... why don't we ask TRH if the CA round can be assigned point values like any other target round would be.  You know the old 1 point for a wound, 2 points for a disabling wound and 5 points for an outright kill. Well the exact point values are irrelevant just so long as they're fair.
> 
>    CA segment can be included, CA authorization required to compete in that round but not having a CA authorization doesn't eliminate you it just puts you at a disadvantage cause you better have enough points already totaled up because you're going to be sitting out a round.  So yeah... the REALLY hot target archers can still win, but those of us that have spent time off the range shooting at less static targets get some value placed on that investment.
> 
>      I mean sure, Shooting with a helm and gauntlet and CA blunts is a lovely nod to CA but good god, I know people that spend their weekends shooting @ cans on strings from 20yds away and why should THEIR effort in perfecting their shooting be reduced to a static shoots in Armor.
> 
>    So yeah,  however many rounds of Static Shooting and a final *Bonus* round of shooting at Moving, Cunning, Stealthy targets, that shoot back for those people who have invested time in this other aspect of shooting.
> 
> In Service,
>      Wilim Penbras
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