[Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
Ld.blackmoon
ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Tue Feb 14 09:56:10 PST 2012
greeetings
thank you
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick R
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
Thanks I just bookmarked your page.
--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:05 PM
greetings
although I'm looking at some retraining , since apparently my back isn't going to let me do all the manual stuff I'm used to doing any more. ( although I have fallen in love with my new tens unit : )
I'm not very computer literate, though I am slowly learning .
I have tried to get people to send me details for shoots, so that I could then make an addition to my web pages ( which are woefully in need of updating ) , but gotten few responses.
I feel that if everyone is getting skill based tourneys for their skill level we wont have so many marshals trying to not drop novice archers till the last round of a title shoot, so it will go much quicker. and be more enjoyable for all.
my page used to be listed on the ansteorran archery pages under links, but don't think it is anymore.
www.blackmoonarchery.com
if there is anything people want to see more info on I will try to update and improve the web pages or as in the case of listing shoots, I can add a page specifically for that as well .
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick R
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
Thanks that sounds like a great idea a Baroness shoot. It is not like there are not enough of them running around at events. We have enough loaner equipment for them even if they don’t have their own. I am sure we can come up with a prize for the winner maybe a bow if she does not have one or a set of arrows if she has her own bow.
I would love to have an intermediate shooters event so they can get some recognition for their achievement. Most novice or intermediate shooters enjoy shooting in the competition but I like the idea of an intermediate shoot. Have you considered something like a yahoo group for archery were people can post ideas for shoots and other resources we can use.
--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 9:51 PM
greetings
all the attending ladies of baroness or higher ranking are invited to come shoot at various targets, for score. at this time I believe that the winner gets a prize basket and word fame ; ) ( but I could be wrong, since I'm trying to get more " prize shoots " going. )
realistically I would like to get to a point where there is no arrow chasing in a title shoot, if you cant hit the target every time or at least be close, you shouldn't be competing in a championship title tourney, but also if your shooting in the title shoots, you shouldn't be shooting in the general populace prize shoots either.
but currently I see that there seems to be many title shoots, a few novice or children's shoots, but nothing for those in the middle, which again will take time to get people motivated.
I really wish there was a central data base people could add different shoots to so that anyone could try them , no matter what kingdom they were in, or what part of the kingdom.
again just my opinions ; )
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick R
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
Always looking for fun things to do so can you tell me what a Baronesses shoot is?
Thanks
Dante
--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 9:14 PM
greetings
thank you, as I expressed to her highness, I believe the biggest bone of contention isn't that there is a combat archery round , but that it is listed as the finals, so only combat archers may win.
if it were placed somewhere else, it would take longer for the heavy weapons people to get armored, then un armored, but if it were run as most other rh tourneys, ( double elim ) then the target archers would at least stand a chance to win ( even though the ikcac round does often cause a loss to some target archers , and an ikcac / heavy weapons loss together would still get many archers booted ).
not all shoots need to be long range, there are many skill shoots, as well as fun shoots done at close range. also skills honed at close range take less time to move out to longer ranges, ( its also easier to learn and practice form at close ranges ) , your right seeing the look in someone's eyes , no matter their age , when they hit their 1st target ,their 1st gold, get their 1st tassel, its just amazing !!
I'm sure you succeed, as attitude is big part of it, if the marshals expect to have fun, the shooters expect to have fun, if people are hitting the target , its fun ; ) ( chasing arrows ... not so much )
northkeep normally has a full time range for the castellan shoot,( possibly with a royal round range as well ) then several other shoots throughout the day, with a baronesses shoot, a children's shoot, and a title shoot scheduled at different times .
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick R
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
Arthur,
Thank you for your comments you have expressed the thoughts of many of us. It would have been more honest if the original notice had said only CA need apply and anyone else who wants to shoot come early then go home.
You are right about usual tournaments that try to get people involved and have fun. One of the things we always try to do at Bryn Gwlad we try to have an open shooting and invite experienced as well as new shooters to enjoy an afternoon of shooting for fun. I always look and hope other events have the same option as there is only so much time I enjoy watching others in their activities. It is so rewarding to see new people try archery and become hooked on it. Sadly we do not have the space for any long shoots but we try to still make it fun.
Dante
--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 7:11 PM
greetings
to respond to two posts at once.
to iago ,
unless I am mistaken ( which is entirely possible ) what you participated in was an ikcac round , shooting at a combat target, not another person.
to Joey,
you miss read the posted rules, the best of the best " of the best " ( sorry couldn't stop myself ) target archers will all be dropped in the finals unless they are also combat archery authorized and equipped, as the final round ( the round that determines the winner is combat archery only ).
as to being of a higher standard than " just a target archer " unfortunately many people from newbie to uber duke to bod members all feel that target archery isn't of sufficient standing for many things, but if you look , you will find that many many newbie's start their sca play by becoming active in archery , then some move to heavy, rapier, a/s etc. many people move to archery when they can no longer physically chance ( or financially afford ) a busted arm, leg, back, etc.
as to fighting for the crowns while this is of great import while at war along side the other heavy weapons styles, as well as the rapier styles, the " royal huntsman " as pointed out in another post was charged with helping feed all those soldiers both at home and on the road to war ( salted / smoked meat would still go bad on a long trip )
perhaps the answer lies in having both a royal huntsman and an archer general ? but that would be a discussion for those of higher stature than this simple archer , but I digress.
it has been spoken of that any may drop out after the semi final round, I have done this on several occasions, not because I would see our crowns undefended, or because I stood no chance of winning, but because I could not afford the travel required ( including going to war ) and I did not feel it would be honorable to " win " knowing that at most events and the war I would have to ask someone else to " stand in " for me.
this was a case of personal honor, and is not to imply that anyone else may not have been honorable in their filling of the position .
but cost is also one of the obligations , as with any title / position at all levels of the sca.
but , while I do not believe that this is good for either archery community, I did not intend that anyone not go to the royal huntsman tourney wherever / whenever it may be held.
to the contrary , please do go, it has always been the place to go see the best of the best ( as well as those who hope to someday be among them ) compete from all over the kingdom.
at the royal huntsman tourney , you will normally see the top flight archers compete in closely scored rounds, you will normally see many marshals working their buns off, and quite often see skill, courtly graces,honor, and even chivalry upon the target archery ranges. it's amazing what you can learn shooting alongside the top flight archers of ansteorra ( most of us like to teach ; )
if our tournaments are long and boring , then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
the mic, will always create tourneys from what he/ she believes people want to compete in , and what he / she believes they can get marshals to help him run.
too long have we tried to make everyone happy, with a one size fits all , archers tourney for our championship titles, too long has it been common for there to only be one tourney at each event, with maybe a royal round thrown in for good measure, we should be holding novice tourneys, championship tourneys, nobility tourneys ,title shoots,prize tourneys, you name it , at most every event, as well as have a royal round / ikac range that's open all day or at least most of the day, for scores, fun, practice.
we must make target archery something people other than archers want to come see, and hopefully even want to participate in....
sorry, just this old farts opinion again
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Iago Cabrera de Cadiz
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Huntsman Duties
I try to keep my mouth shut on this list and just read, as I am more of a participant in archery, and not one of the leaders. Sadly, I haven't been able to participate much either.
I've only been able to participate in one Royal Huntsman tournament before, and there was a combat archery element in that one too. This is nothing new.
Iago
On Feb 13, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Chuck Kaun wrote:
That is why they have a Champion in the armored martial arts, forcing others to either do this or not play is exclusionary. Another thing to think on, if only a combat archer can win, who is to say that the next Royal Huntsman wont have the same thoughts as you? Once is precedent, twice can easily become tradition.
Signing off of this topic,
YIS,
Karl Thorgeirsson
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