[Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 83, Issue 42
Samuel Stamper
samuel.stamper at ymail.com
Tue Apr 30 15:14:19 PDT 2013
I generally have the same situations come up in Thrown Weapons. After speaking with Authur Blackmoon a few years ago he told me that children (ages10-17) had to be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian to participate on the range. I have a few young boys in our group that really want to throw but I won't let them unless they have one of their parents be there watching them.
Now last year at Steppes Warlord I did have a situation were a grandmother had a granddaughter and a grandson that she had to watch at the same time. I told the young boy that his grandmother had to at the range to watch him however she needed to watch the granddaughter as well. Well the grandmother couldn't make it to the range and sat in an area between the 2 ranges so she could keep an eye on both. Well after about 15 minutes I noticed the grandmother had left to go watch the granddaughter even closer, so I had to tell the young boy that he to leave the range since no one was watching him. Of course he didn't like me telling him that but being the Marshal-in-charge of the Thrown Weapons range it was my duty to tell him that he had to leave the range plus he didn't need to speak to my deputy marshal the way he did.
I had a case at Gulf Wars this past year with a parent that I told had to watch their child even though he was a teenager. She was very agreeable with that. I showed what Arthur had e-mailed on the rules about it and explained that it also for the child's safety that the parent or legal guardian be present.
On the case of the RR's out of state, sometimes it can be difficult to get throwers to do the RR along side with their regular throwing. This year at GW I tried to have a RR with the regular scoring for the war points but all anyone wanted to do was do practice throwing and learn how to throw. I was looking forward to being able to provide some out of state scores but alas no one wanted to.
For the Honor,
Lord Lochlan Shaw
Deupty Kingdom Missile Marshal for Thrown Weapons
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1. Re: Children's Archery (Ld.blackmoon)
2. Re: Children's Archery (Ld.blackmoon)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:22:03 -0500
From: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
To: "Patrick R" <tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com>, "Archery within the
Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Children's Archery
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greetings
while you have some valid points, you also missed one, if the local archers and the " big name " archers look down on or refuse to participate in royal rounds, then the archers learning to shoot, or trying to improve, will in many cases also look down on and not participate in royal rounds : /
( if your teachers and your heroes don't like it , it must be bad )
just a thought.
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick R
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Children's Archery
In all honesty I have only shot one royal round in my life to to the fact that our practice range will not accomodate one. They are great for expeienced shooters to see how much they have progressed. It is just my opinion but I feel if we keep their interest and they keep coming back eventually they will want to shoot royal rounds. I grade our progress by how many people we have at archery practice, how many start to buy their own equipment, and if we are growing.
Dante
From: Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com>
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Children's Archery
We have to remember that the SCA RR Scores is not a complete indicator of how the Archery Community is doing and it should never be presented that it is. Many people do not shoot RR scores and have no interest in them, many people shoot one once in awhile but since they must have 3 of them in a 12 month period and 1 of them MUST be an away score there are many people that do not show up on the list. I know of a number of Archers that are very good but are not on the list and have not been for several years.
Now with that being said, I do like to shoot RRs:-) I do not get to do it as often as I would like but I still enjoy them.
The reports from the Archery marshals and from the Event MICs are a better indicator than the RRs. The RRs are a tool to help us see how we are progressing and to see how we compare with some of the other archers that we do not always get to shoot against.
Vincenti
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Frank Schalles <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
There are, and have been local groups that are Excellent in their
youth programs. It just doesnt show up in our SCA SCORES
page. Perhaps all we need to do is document the participation via
youth Royal Round scoring process?
Francois
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor
<metaldog00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I may be getting ready to step in it, but I know several baronies that have had a youth program for many years. Admittedly there are rather few participants and I agree we can do more to recruit the children. On the other hand we have quite a few wee folk participate in archery at the events I frequent. I think local marshals are doing a pretty good job though and I would like to give them props for all they are doing to bring in new blood.
>
> Cian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:33 AM, "Frank Schalles" <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Archers!
>>
>> I was reviewing the youth SCORES page at SCA and realized we need to
>> step up our youth archery program.
>>
>> I realize that there are local groups that are naturally teaching
>> their youths, and we thank you. We have, I think, shied away from
>> youth SCA activities due to past legal complications. But I believe
>> that youth Archery is a program that, with the parents participation,
>> can safely teach Archery in a group setting.
>>
>> There are some local groups that have started to hold youth (Children)
>> Archery Royal Rounds at events, but the lack of youth names on the SCA
>> SCORES web page suggest that we have a missed opportunity. Our SCA
>> children are our SCA future, what we mentor and teach is what they
>> will do when they are in charge.
>>
>> I ask each local Archery group set aside a few minutes each practice
>> to mentor the youth in your group. And when you plan a Royal Round for
>> Adults, consider doing one for the youth. Better yet, hold a Royal
>> Rounds specifically for the youth at least once every 3 months. Make
>> it special, invite other groups to attend, hold a revel, recognize
>> each youth as a member of the Archery community, and in a few years
>> from now, we will have many more talented and experienced Archers to
>> carry on our our beloved SCA Archery programs.
>>
>>
>> Yours In Service,
>> LD. Francois de Lions,
>> Keeper of the Royal Rounds, Ansteorra
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:23:29 -0500
From: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
To: "Patrick R" <tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com>, "Archery within the
Kingdom of Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Children's Archery
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greetings
may all groups have such " problems " = )
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick R
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Children's Archery
I guess we are lucky that many members of the rapier community come out and practice the day we have archery. We are talking to them about having someone bring out loaner gear in case there is someone who would like to give it a try. We even do an occasional BBQ which is a great draw for people. The only problem we are having now (and it is a good problem) is that we are going through so many targets and need to find an inexpensive backing so the targets last longer.
Dante
From: "Epperson, Sheryl" <eppersos at oge.com>
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Children's Archery
Another problem with working with the kids at practice is that at events, even if the parents aren?t interested in archery themselves, they can usually be talked into taking their kids to the archery range. However, getting them to take them to practice, since it usually isn?t held in conjunction with other practices and activities (chivalric, rapier, scribes, etc.) it takes up another afternoon/evening.
Annabelle
From: ansteorra-archery-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Doug Copley
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:53 PM
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Children's Archery
I agree that there are areas and groups that do pretty good. One thing that I have noticed is that we have MANY MANY kids (under 11 or 12) but that we do not have as many that are older than that. I know our son Baldo was pretty good archery and was shooting but once he hit about 14 the SCA was no longer "Cool" so he did not want to do it anymore:-( I think this happens with many of the kids in the SCA. One thing that had been discussed before and they recently setit up for IKAC and I believe we can now make it an option on the RR is to have both children (10, 15, 20 yards with timed at 10 yard) and a youth division that is 15, 20, 30 with a timed round at 15 yards. This MIGHT help or it might now. If it is available for us to use we should consider using it and making it available.
Vincenti
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor <metaldog00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
I may be getting ready to step in it, but I know several baronies that have had a youth program for many years. Admittedly there are rather few participants and I agree we can do more to recruit the children. On the other hand we have quite a few wee folk participate in archery at the events I frequent. I think local marshals are doing a pretty good job though and I would like to give them props for all they are doing to bring in new blood.
Cian
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:33 AM, "Frank Schalles" <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
> Archers!
>
> I was reviewing the youth SCORES page at SCA and realized we need to
> step up our youth archery program.
>
> I realize that there are local groups that are naturally teaching
> their youths, and we thank you. We have, I think, shied away from
> youth SCA activities due to past legal complications. But I believe
> that youth Archery is a program that, with the parents participation,
> can safely teach Archery in a group setting.
>
> There are some local groups that have started to hold youth (Children)
> Archery Royal Rounds at events, but the lack of youth names on the SCA
> SCORES web page suggest that we have a missed opportunity. Our SCA
> children are our SCA future, what we mentor and teach is what they
> will do when they are in charge.
>
> I ask each local Archery group set aside a few minutes each practice
> to mentor the youth in your group. And when you plan a Royal Round for
> Adults, consider doing one for the youth. Better yet, hold a Royal
> Rounds specifically for the youth at least once every 3 months. Make
> it special, invite other groups to attend, hold a revel, recognize
> each youth as a member of the Archery community, and in a few years
> from now, we will have many more talented and experienced Archers to
> carry on our our beloved SCA Archery programs.
>
>
> Yours In Service,
> LD. Francois de Lions,
> Keeper of the Royal Rounds, Ansteorra
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