[Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash Idea

Wed May 29 07:36:07 PDT 2013

Having a belt flag isn't an issue of safety. No one is more or less safe with or without it. It's an issue of identification. And for the most part there really isn't an issue of identification. If someone is new to the field of archery they won't know what to look for, including a belt flag. They will have to communicate with other people to find the MIC.

And it's never been an issue in the past trying to find the MIC. People approach a field and ask "so who do I talk to about wanting to shoot?" And someone directs them to the MIC. Carrying a badge, sash, pendant, flag, etc, seems more like self admiration than a safety issue. New comers won't be able to identify a badge out out a cluster of awards, regalia, or basic accessories that a lot of sca'ers wear. Lets just remain helping each other through communication like we always have. The system isn't broke, we don't need to fix it.

In service,
Ld Griffin Fane, 
Arcarius to HL Gunnar Haukr
Archery Marshal, Eldern Hills

On May 29, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Frank Schalles <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:

> Archers!
> 
> There are many good ideas presented here. Some of the community see's no reason for change,
> others embrace it. If a sash would be problematic while shooting, then it's not a good thing. If a
> taberd is too hot, then that's not good, if a medallion could get lost, then it's useless. 
> 
> So, why dont we do something we are already doing, something that doesnt get in the way, something
>  that is not hot, and something that probably will not get lost. What is this wondrous thing?
> 
> A belt flag of Or and sable. It is simple, gets seen by everyone, will not conflict with any heraldry I am 
> familiar with, and will not get in the way of shooting. There are many belt flags being worn already.
> And I consider the identification of a MIC and Archery Marshal on the field to be a safety issue.
> 
> And who doesnt want to be safe?
> 
> Lord Francois de Lions,
> Deputy Archery Marshal, Central Region
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Susan McMahill <sueorintx at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> While the idea is a good one, in the ten or so years since I started doing archery in Ansteorra, I have never seen people having any real difficulty finding a marshal to inspect, ask questions of, etc. Sashes can be problematic, as people have pointed out, hoods and tabards too hot and inconsistent. Medallions are easily lost or confused among other insignia that may be worn. I know when I wear just my archery awards and my Oak, I have several things around my neck already. Anything else would get lost.  Many groups have regalia that they want their champions to wear. These too, would conflict with anything as far as collars, sashes, hoods, as many already wear them as champions.
>>  
>> There are two things that people can be guaranteed to see already, that lead immediately to someone who can help them, the white bracer of the Arc d' Or and the red bracers of the Students of the Arcs. Almost always there are several of those around, if there is a competition of any sort or the group is large enough. Smaller groups really don't require anyone to have identifying insignia, or garb, because everyone probably knows everyone there, already.
>>  
>> I'm not participating in Archery much, now, but it still means a great deal to me, and I do follow it. Just my two cents worth.
>>  
>> In Service,
>>  
>> HL Lyneya de Grey
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> From: jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:29:37 -0500
>> To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash Idea
>> 
>> I agree totally with this. We shouldnt make too many rules or it will start to become a fun suck. But i suppose if there is a cool enough sash, folks might want to wear it.  Might want to speak to the heraldic community to make sure no one has a cow about an Official sash
>> 
>> Karl Thorgeirsson
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 28, 2013, at 15:05, "Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor" <metaldog00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Misgivings aside I would like to give it a try. I agree it shouldn't be mandatory as well. Anyone who would like to experiment with should be encouraged to so. Maybe try it out on your local archers first I see what they think about it. And maybe at the next major event comes up give it a real trial run. 
>> 
>>  Any one who doesn't want to participate in this experiment shouldn't feel pressured to do anything but those who do shouldn't be discouraged from trying. I appreciate the initiative. 
>> 
>> HL Cian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 28, 2013, at 1:30 PM, "Harry Billings" <humble_archer at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> just because you are a marshal does not mean that you should be or are even wanted to be inspecting equipment for a shoot, the fewer inspectors the less likely some thing the  MiC does not like want getting into the shoot.
>> 
>> plachoya 
>> Ansteorra
>> 
>> 
>> This is a bad idea and won't work for reasons too long to list
>> here, just a waste of time, effort and resources!
>>  
>> Get smart and ask any archer on the range whom is inspecting
>> when you arrive and they should be able to point you toward that
>> person(s) and please courteous, arrive early to enough to get
>> inspected without the marshal having to rush you through it or
>> delay starting their tournament! 
>>  
>> Ironwyrm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I do have to give full credit to Faolan for the idea of the arrow through the head.
>> 
>> -JP
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Patrick R <tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I like that so much better than the sash. The MIC can have a brass tip.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 28, 2013, at 6:02 AM, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> greetings
>>  
>>  biggest problem could be getting people to actually wear them : /
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>> Arthur
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