[Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow

Thu May 30 10:35:49 PDT 2013

easier to get people to do it when the rules are clear and concise. Not
sure why there is a resistance to getting a clarification on the rules and
having everyone use the same guidelines?

Vincenti

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor <
metaldog00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Kist out of curiosity, is there even enough people turning in period IKAC
> or RR scores to even be concerned about this? If not then maybe we need to
> be more lenient on the matter.
>
> Cian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 30, 2013, at 12:18 PM, "samcupps1259 at yahoo.com" <
> samcupps1259 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Well, if you consider the cross bow rules it says the prod can be of any
> material. A glass prod is faster than a steel one but we allow that. I
> think we can all agree that it is abundantly clear  that the big concern is
> the center cut risers not the materials the bow is made of.
>
> HL Samuel ap Dewi
>
>
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com>
> Date: 05/30/2013 11:55 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <
> ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow
>
>
> Rules have been posted on this, the problem is they are subject to
> interpretation.
>
> You can go to:
> http://www.scores-sca.org/public/scores_rules.php?R=10&Shoot=65
>
> There are 2 sentences that cause problems. one says you can use modern
> materials the other says you can't gain an unfair advantage. If you use
> fiberglass and it shoots faster you are gaining an unfair advantage. Also
> if you are using fiberglass and all it says is to cover it, then why not
> get an all fiberglass bow and cover it and use it?
>
> Vincenti
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor <
> metaldog00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It was my understanding of the IKAC rules what the bow is made of doesn't
>> matter so long as the bow has no center cut in it. I am unable to confirm
>> that due to the fact I can't seem to get to the IKAC rules for some reason.
>> I don't suppose you could post the relevant portion of those rules, could
>> you?
>>
>> Cian
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 30, 2013, at 9:12 AM, "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This question was in regards to Period Shooting and Scoring for IKAC and
>> Royal Rounds and for Period shoots. For open shoots I would allow them no
>> problem. I also tell people that I allow carbon and aluminum arrows to be
>> shot, just not to be scored or to compete for a title.
>>
>> Vincenti
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Erwin Simmons <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Are you asking for "period" shoots or for all shoots?  For regular
>>> shoots most bows are allowed as long as they have no stabilizers and or
>>> sighting devices.  I would not allow any of the really newer bow with the
>>> magnesium risers etc.  I have seen modern longbows, ie. laminated wood and
>>> fiberglass limbs allowed for "period" shooting.
>>> A period Magyar or Mongol  horsebow , due to its laminated layered
>>> construction would have
>>> a distinct advantage over a standard longbow, the longbow being a self
>>> bow.  The horsebow was fatster and had better cast.  So for me I would
>>> allow it.  I am not currently an archery marshal in Ansteorra, however I
>>> was Lieutenant General of archers for the Principality of Drachenwald and I
>>> allowed the horsebows.  Cosmetically they look more period also than some
>>> bows being shot.
>>> That's my take on the question.
>>>
>>> Ld Eric Bentbow
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/30/2013 7:30 AM, Doug Copley wrote:
>>>
>>> This brings up a good question: Modern Horse Bows. Wooden riser, no cut
>>> out arrow rest, limbs are covered with leather, BUT the limbs are
>>> fiberglass. Are they allowed?
>>>
>>>  I have not been allowing them because with the limbs being fiberglass
>>> they are gaining an unfair advantage over a longbow made of wood. a 50#
>>> fiberglass bow will shoot fast than a 50# wood limb bow.
>>>
>>>  So how is this handled in other kingdoms? I would prefer that we move
>>> together and try to get the rules so that they are the same.
>>>
>>>  Vincenti
>>> Ansteorra
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Chuck Kaun <jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK,
>>>>
>>>> I believe its the symbol that you want, who really cares how or where
>>>> you wear it?  Too hot?  Tabard is out.  Sash would be hot too.  Dont wear a
>>>> belt?  Tie it around your arm.  You are shooting too and it would be in
>>>> your way?  Tie it around your leg.  Wear a dress or a tunic?  Make a cool
>>>> headband that goes around your hat.  Dont wear a hat?  Wear it around your
>>>> noggin, congratulations you are now a pirate.  Dont want that?
>>>>  OK....obviously you didnt want to wear one...moving on.
>>>>
>>>> Simply put there are many many ways to wear this thing, you have 5
>>>> parts of your body to attach it to aside from your torso that doesnt
>>>> involve a lot of cloth making you overheat or overtly modifying your
>>>> persona.  Find one and put it there.
>>>>
>>>> Now...to make it obvious...Black with a big ole yellow arrowhead works
>>>> quite well if you are wearing light colors.  wearing darks?  Yellow with a
>>>> big ole black arrowhead on it.  Just dont wear it to court and the heralds
>>>> wont even ask what the heck that thing is.
>>>>
>>>> The point of all of this?  a plain black or yellow scarf with a big ole
>>>> arrowhead of the opposite color on it.  Easy to make, goes darn near
>>>> anywhere you need it to.  Tie it to your bow when its time to leave so you
>>>> dont lose it.
>>>>
>>>> Simple, easy to make, inexpensive
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy,
>>>>
>>>> Karl Thorgeirsson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________
>>>> > From: doug.copley at gmail.com
>>>> > To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash Idea
>>>> >
>>>> > Belt flags do not always work since many people do not wear a belt.
>>>> All
>>>> > of the options have some problems with them. Some people want them
>>>> some
>>>> > do not. Each of the options can either be hot or lost or forgotten. So
>>>> > the overall idea may or may not be a good work, but I still see no
>>>> > reason not to try it:-)
>>>> >
>>>> > I do see it being more beneficial at a LARGE event than at a small
>>>> one.
>>>> > At a small one, everyone knows everyone and if anyone walks up that is
>>>> > not known, everyone knows it and should immediately step in to help
>>>> > out.
>>>> >
>>>> > On the larger ones, It could be a good idea to have a sash or
>>>> something
>>>> > that is visible from a distance so that others can point you out to
>>>> > people. Something like this would be good at Gulf Wars or maybe a
>>>> Grand
>>>> > Assembly of Archers, which we are hoping to have again next year!
>>>> >
>>>> > Vincenti
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