[Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow

Thu May 30 21:13:03 PDT 2013

The problem with Stone Bows is that they shoot rocks so it would be hard to
score them since they do not stick in the target. Also depending on the
size and shape of the rock they could damage other arrows.

Vincenti

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Mark Crampton <apwyvern at yahoo.com> wrote:

> What about 'Stone Bows'?  Not that I've ever seen one at a SCA meet, but
> I'm sure there are some out there.  I actually have a reprint of a set of
> instructions on building one (from a '50's Popular Mechanic magazine), so
> it IS possible!
>
> Ringg ap Wyvern, Barony of Raven's Fort
> 936-333-8153
> APWYVERN at YAHOO.COM
>
> We give dogs time we can spare, space we can spare, and love we can spare.
> In return, they spare NOTHING, but give us their ALL!
>
>
>   *From:* Erwin Simmons <ESIMMONS001 at HOT.RR.COM>
> *To:* Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <
> ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow
>
>  Most of the modern horsebows are made with a wooden riser, fiberglass
> limbs covered with leather and finished with wooden ends.  These fiberglass
> limbs give the same speed and cast as a horn and wood laminate limb for
> half or less the cost.  I would allow them.
>
>
> On 5/30/2013 11:35 AM, David Cordes wrote:
>
>   The rules as written appear slightly contradictory on this.  From the
> 2013 IKAC Adult Rules (
> http://www.scores-sca.org/public/scores_rules.php?R=10&Shoot=157)
> "Period style recurves and longbows of any material are allowed. Modern
> style recurves or longbows with full or partial center cut risers are not
> allowed."
>
> But later in the same section of the rules it also states
> "Period style bows are defined as: Any style of bow that can be documented
> as used in pre 1600 archery, from Stone age bows to English longbows.
> Construction materials should be mainly those that were used in period for
> the making of that style of bow. Modern materials such as synthetic glues,
> finishes, fibers (strings) or artificial sinew are allowed as long as their
> use does not give an unfair advantage in performance over period materials.
> Fiberglass may be used as a substitute for horn and or sinew in the
> construction of period style recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol,
> etc., but no modern features such as full or partial center cut handles are
> allowed. This last is important. Many modern longbows have some center-cut
> on their handle part (riser in a recurve). If that is the case, the bow is
> not allowed in the Period division. A protuding shelf resulting from layers
> of leather on the handle is allowed, however. The bow must have the
> appearance of a period laminate bow."
>
> This implies to me that if the limbs of the bow are wholly fiberglass,
> even if wrapped in leather or similar, it can't be used in the Period
> Division.  However a horsebow that is a laminate of wood and fiberglass is
> acceptable in the Period Division, as long as it doesn't look modern.
>
> Asbiorn
>
>
>
>
> On 30 May 2013 11:26, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor <metaldog00 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>  It was my understanding of the IKAC rules what the bow is made of
> doesn't matter so long as the bow has no center cut in it. I am unable to
> confirm that due to the fact I can't seem to get to the IKAC rules for some
> reason. I don't suppose you could post the relevant portion of those rules,
> could you?
>
> Cian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 9:12 AM, "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  This question was in regards to Period Shooting and Scoring for IKAC and
> Royal Rounds and for Period shoots. For open shoots I would allow them no
> problem. I also tell people that I allow carbon and aluminum arrows to be
> shot, just not to be scored or to compete for a title.
>
> Vincenti
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Erwin Simmons <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com>wrote:
>
>  Are you asking for "period" shoots or for all shoots?  For regular
> shoots most bows are allowed as long as they have no stabilizers and or
> sighting devices.  I would not allow any of the really newer bow with the
> magnesium risers etc.  I have seen modern longbows, ie. laminated wood and
> fiberglass limbs allowed for "period" shooting.
> A period Magyar or Mongol  horsebow , due to its laminated layered
> construction would have
> a distinct advantage over a standard longbow, the longbow being a self
> bow.  The horsebow was fatster and had better cast.  So for me I would
> allow it.  I am not currently an archery marshal in Ansteorra, however I
> was Lieutenant General of archers for the Principality of Drachenwald and I
> allowed the horsebows.  Cosmetically they look more period also than some
> bows being shot.
> That's my take on the question.
>
> Ld Eric Bentbow
>
>
> On 5/30/2013 7:30 AM, Doug Copley wrote:
>
> This brings up a good question: Modern Horse Bows. Wooden riser, no cut
> out arrow rest, limbs are covered with leather, BUT the limbs are
> fiberglass. Are they allowed?
>
> I have not been allowing them because with the limbs being fiberglass they
> are gaining an unfair advantage over a longbow made of wood. a 50#
> fiberglass bow will shoot fast than a 50# wood limb bow.
>
> So how is this handled in other kingdoms? I would prefer that we move
> together and try to get the rules so that they are the same.
>
> Vincenti
> Ansteorra
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Chuck Kaun <jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> I believe its the symbol that you want, who really cares how or where you
> wear it?  Too hot?  Tabard is out.  Sash would be hot too.  Dont wear a
> belt?  Tie it around your arm.  You are shooting too and it would be in
> your way?  Tie it around your leg.  Wear a dress or a tunic?  Make a cool
> headband that goes around your hat.  Dont wear a hat?  Wear it around your
> noggin, congratulations you are now a pirate.  Dont want that?
>  OK....obviously you didnt want to wear one...moving on.
>
> Simply put there are many many ways to wear this thing, you have 5 parts
> of your body to attach it to aside from your torso that doesnt involve a
> lot of cloth making you overheat or overtly modifying your persona.  Find
> one and put it there.
>
> Now...to make it obvious...Black with a big ole yellow arrowhead works
> quite well if you are wearing light colors.  wearing darks?  Yellow with a
> big ole black arrowhead on it.  Just dont wear it to court and the heralds
> wont even ask what the heck that thing is.
>
> The point of all of this?  a plain black or yellow scarf with a big ole
> arrowhead of the opposite color on it.  Easy to make, goes darn near
> anywhere you need it to.  Tie it to your bow when its time to leave so you
> dont lose it.
>
> Simple, easy to make, inexpensive
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Karl Thorgeirsson
>
>
> _______________________
> > From: doug.copley at gmail.com
> > To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash Idea
> >
> > Belt flags do not always work since many people do not wear a belt. All
> > of the options have some problems with them. Some people want them some
> > do not. Each of the options can either be hot or lost or forgotten. So
> > the overall idea may or may not be a good work, but I still see no
> > reason not to try it:-)
> >
> > I do see it being more beneficial at a LARGE event than at a small one.
> > At a small one, everyone knows everyone and if anyone walks up that is
> > not known, everyone knows it and should immediately step in to help
> > out.
> >
> > On the larger ones, It could be a good idea to have a sash or something
> > that is visible from a distance so that others can point you out to
> > people. Something like this would be good at Gulf Wars or maybe a Grand
> > Assembly of Archers, which we are hoping to have again next year!
> >
> > Vincenti
> g
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing list
> Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing listAnsteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orghttp://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing list
> Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing list
> Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing list
> Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
>
>
> --
>  Ecce Eduardus ursus scalis nunc tump-tump-tump occipite gradus pulsante,
> post Christophorum Robinum descendens.
>
> A. A. Milne, trans. Alexander Lenard - Winne Ille Pu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing listAnsteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.orghttp://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing list
> Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra-archery mailing list
> Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org/attachments/20130530/8b12fa87/attachment-0002.htm>