[Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow

Erwin Simmons ESIMMONS001 at HOT.RR.COM
Thu May 30 10:06:32 PDT 2013


Most of the modern horsebows are made with a wooden riser, fiberglass 
limbs covered with leather and finished with wooden ends.  These 
fiberglass limbs give the same speed and cast as a horn and wood 
laminate limb for half or less the cost.  I would allow them.


On 5/30/2013 11:35 AM, David Cordes wrote:
> The rules as written appear slightly contradictory on this.  From the 
> 2013 IKAC Adult Rules 
> (http://www.scores-sca.org/public/scores_rules.php?R=10&Shoot=157)
> "Period style recurves and longbows of any material are allowed. 
> Modern style recurves or longbows with full or partial center cut 
> risers are not allowed."
>
> But later in the same section of the rules it also states
> "Period style bows are defined as: Any style of bow that can be 
> documented as used in pre 1600 archery, from Stone age bows to English 
> longbows. Construction materials should be mainly those that were used 
> in period for the making of that style of bow. Modern materials such 
> as synthetic glues, finishes, fibers (strings) or artificial sinew are 
> allowed as long as their use does not give an unfair advantage in 
> performance over period materials. Fiberglass may be used as a 
> substitute for horn and or sinew in the construction of period style 
> recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol, etc., but no modern 
> features such as full or partial center cut handles are allowed. This 
> last is important. Many modern longbows have some center-cut on their 
> handle part (riser in a recurve). If that is the case, the bow is not 
> allowed in the Period division. A protuding shelf resulting from 
> layers of leather on the handle is allowed, however. The bow must have 
> the appearance of a period laminate bow."
>
> This implies to me that if the limbs of the bow are wholly fiberglass, 
> even if wrapped in leather or similar, it can't be used in the Period 
> Division.  However a horsebow that is a laminate of wood and 
> fiberglass is acceptable in the Period Division, as long as it doesn't 
> look modern.
>
> Asbiorn
>
>
>
>
> On 30 May 2013 11:26, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor <metaldog00 at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:metaldog00 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     It was my understanding of the IKAC rules what the bow is made of
>     doesn't matter so long as the bow has no center cut in it. I am
>     unable to confirm that due to the fact I can't seem to get to the
>     IKAC rules for some reason. I don't suppose you could post the
>     relevant portion of those rules, could you?
>
>     Cian
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>     On May 30, 2013, at 9:12 AM, "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com
>     <mailto:doug.copley at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>     This question was in regards to Period Shooting and Scoring for
>>     IKAC and Royal Rounds and for Period shoots. For open shoots I
>>     would allow them no problem. I also tell people that I allow
>>     carbon and aluminum arrows to be shot, just not to be scored or
>>     to compete for a title.
>>
>>     Vincenti
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Erwin Simmons
>>     <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com <mailto:ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Are you asking for "period" shoots or for all shoots?  For
>>         regular shoots most bows are allowed as long as they have no
>>         stabilizers and or sighting devices.  I would not allow any
>>         of the really newer bow with the magnesium risers etc.  I
>>         have seen modern longbows, ie. laminated wood and fiberglass
>>         limbs allowed for "period" shooting.
>>         A period Magyar or Mongol  horsebow , due to its laminated
>>         layered construction would have
>>         a distinct advantage over a standard longbow, the longbow
>>         being a self bow. The horsebow was fatster and had better
>>         cast.  So for me I would allow it.  I am not currently an
>>         archery marshal in Ansteorra, however I was Lieutenant
>>         General of archers for the Principality of Drachenwald and I
>>         allowed the horsebows.  Cosmetically they look more period
>>         also than some bows being shot.
>>         That's my take on the question.
>>
>>         Ld Eric Bentbow
>>
>>
>>         On 5/30/2013 7:30 AM, Doug Copley wrote:
>>>         This brings up a good question: Modern Horse Bows. Wooden
>>>         riser, no cut out arrow rest, limbs are covered with
>>>         leather, BUT the limbs are fiberglass. Are they allowed?
>>>
>>>         I have not been allowing them because with the limbs being
>>>         fiberglass they are gaining an unfair advantage over a
>>>         longbow made of wood. a 50# fiberglass bow will shoot fast
>>>         than a 50# wood limb bow.
>>>
>>>         So how is this handled in other kingdoms? I would prefer
>>>         that we move together and try to get the rules so that they
>>>         are the same.
>>>
>>>         Vincenti
>>>         Ansteorra
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Chuck Kaun
>>>         <jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com
>>>         <mailto:jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             OK,
>>>
>>>             I believe its the symbol that you want, who really cares
>>>             how or where you wear it?  Too hot?  Tabard is out.
>>>              Sash would be hot too.  Dont wear a belt?  Tie it
>>>             around your arm.  You are shooting too and it would be
>>>             in your way?  Tie it around your leg.  Wear a dress or a
>>>             tunic?  Make a cool headband that goes around your hat.
>>>              Dont wear a hat?  Wear it around your noggin,
>>>             congratulations you are now a pirate.  Dont want that?
>>>              OK....obviously you didnt want to wear one...moving on.
>>>
>>>             Simply put there are many many ways to wear this thing,
>>>             you have 5 parts of your body to attach it to aside from
>>>             your torso that doesnt involve a lot of cloth making you
>>>             overheat or overtly modifying your persona.  Find one
>>>             and put it there.
>>>
>>>             Now...to make it obvious...Black with a big ole yellow
>>>             arrowhead works quite well if you are wearing light
>>>             colors.  wearing darks?  Yellow with a big ole black
>>>             arrowhead on it.  Just dont wear it to court and the
>>>             heralds wont even ask what the heck that thing is.
>>>
>>>             The point of all of this?  a plain black or yellow scarf
>>>             with a big ole arrowhead of the opposite color on it.
>>>              Easy to make, goes darn near anywhere you need it to.
>>>              Tie it to your bow when its time to leave so you dont
>>>             lose it.
>>>
>>>             Simple, easy to make, inexpensive
>>>
>>>             Enjoy,
>>>
>>>             Karl Thorgeirsson
>>>
>>>
>>>             _______________________
>>>             > From: doug.copley at gmail.com <mailto:doug.copley at gmail.com>
>>>             > To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>>>             <mailto:ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>>             > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash Idea
>>>             >
>>>             > Belt flags do not always work since many people do not
>>>             wear a belt. All
>>>             > of the options have some problems with them. Some
>>>             people want them some
>>>             > do not. Each of the options can either be hot or lost
>>>             or forgotten. So
>>>             > the overall idea may or may not be a good work, but I
>>>             still see no
>>>             > reason not to try it:-)
>>>             >
>>>             > I do see it being more beneficial at a LARGE event
>>>             than at a small one.
>>>             > At a small one, everyone knows everyone and if anyone
>>>             walks up that is
>>>             > not known, everyone knows it and should immediately
>>>             step in to help
>>>             > out.
>>>             >
>>>             > On the larger ones, It could be a good idea to have a
>>>             sash or something
>>>             > that is visible from a distance so that others can
>>>             point you out to
>>>             > people. Something like this would be good at Gulf Wars
>>>             or maybe a Grand
>>>             > Assembly of Archers, which we are hoping to have again
>>>             next year!
>>>             >
>>>             > Vincenti
>>>             g
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