[Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow
Erwin Simmons
ESIMMONS001 at HOT.RR.COM
Thu May 30 10:06:32 PDT 2013
Most of the modern horsebows are made with a wooden riser, fiberglass
limbs covered with leather and finished with wooden ends. These
fiberglass limbs give the same speed and cast as a horn and wood
laminate limb for half or less the cost. I would allow them.
On 5/30/2013 11:35 AM, David Cordes wrote:
> The rules as written appear slightly contradictory on this. From the
> 2013 IKAC Adult Rules
> (http://www.scores-sca.org/public/scores_rules.php?R=10&Shoot=157)
> "Period style recurves and longbows of any material are allowed.
> Modern style recurves or longbows with full or partial center cut
> risers are not allowed."
>
> But later in the same section of the rules it also states
> "Period style bows are defined as: Any style of bow that can be
> documented as used in pre 1600 archery, from Stone age bows to English
> longbows. Construction materials should be mainly those that were used
> in period for the making of that style of bow. Modern materials such
> as synthetic glues, finishes, fibers (strings) or artificial sinew are
> allowed as long as their use does not give an unfair advantage in
> performance over period materials. Fiberglass may be used as a
> substitute for horn and or sinew in the construction of period style
> recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol, etc., but no modern
> features such as full or partial center cut handles are allowed. This
> last is important. Many modern longbows have some center-cut on their
> handle part (riser in a recurve). If that is the case, the bow is not
> allowed in the Period division. A protuding shelf resulting from
> layers of leather on the handle is allowed, however. The bow must have
> the appearance of a period laminate bow."
>
> This implies to me that if the limbs of the bow are wholly fiberglass,
> even if wrapped in leather or similar, it can't be used in the Period
> Division. However a horsebow that is a laminate of wood and
> fiberglass is acceptable in the Period Division, as long as it doesn't
> look modern.
>
> Asbiorn
>
>
>
>
> On 30 May 2013 11:26, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor <metaldog00 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:metaldog00 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> It was my understanding of the IKAC rules what the bow is made of
> doesn't matter so long as the bow has no center cut in it. I am
> unable to confirm that due to the fact I can't seem to get to the
> IKAC rules for some reason. I don't suppose you could post the
> relevant portion of those rules, could you?
>
> Cian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 9:12 AM, "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com
> <mailto:doug.copley at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> This question was in regards to Period Shooting and Scoring for
>> IKAC and Royal Rounds and for Period shoots. For open shoots I
>> would allow them no problem. I also tell people that I allow
>> carbon and aluminum arrows to be shot, just not to be scored or
>> to compete for a title.
>>
>> Vincenti
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Erwin Simmons
>> <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com <mailto:ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you asking for "period" shoots or for all shoots? For
>> regular shoots most bows are allowed as long as they have no
>> stabilizers and or sighting devices. I would not allow any
>> of the really newer bow with the magnesium risers etc. I
>> have seen modern longbows, ie. laminated wood and fiberglass
>> limbs allowed for "period" shooting.
>> A period Magyar or Mongol horsebow , due to its laminated
>> layered construction would have
>> a distinct advantage over a standard longbow, the longbow
>> being a self bow. The horsebow was fatster and had better
>> cast. So for me I would allow it. I am not currently an
>> archery marshal in Ansteorra, however I was Lieutenant
>> General of archers for the Principality of Drachenwald and I
>> allowed the horsebows. Cosmetically they look more period
>> also than some bows being shot.
>> That's my take on the question.
>>
>> Ld Eric Bentbow
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2013 7:30 AM, Doug Copley wrote:
>>> This brings up a good question: Modern Horse Bows. Wooden
>>> riser, no cut out arrow rest, limbs are covered with
>>> leather, BUT the limbs are fiberglass. Are they allowed?
>>>
>>> I have not been allowing them because with the limbs being
>>> fiberglass they are gaining an unfair advantage over a
>>> longbow made of wood. a 50# fiberglass bow will shoot fast
>>> than a 50# wood limb bow.
>>>
>>> So how is this handled in other kingdoms? I would prefer
>>> that we move together and try to get the rules so that they
>>> are the same.
>>>
>>> Vincenti
>>> Ansteorra
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Chuck Kaun
>>> <jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK,
>>>
>>> I believe its the symbol that you want, who really cares
>>> how or where you wear it? Too hot? Tabard is out.
>>> Sash would be hot too. Dont wear a belt? Tie it
>>> around your arm. You are shooting too and it would be
>>> in your way? Tie it around your leg. Wear a dress or a
>>> tunic? Make a cool headband that goes around your hat.
>>> Dont wear a hat? Wear it around your noggin,
>>> congratulations you are now a pirate. Dont want that?
>>> OK....obviously you didnt want to wear one...moving on.
>>>
>>> Simply put there are many many ways to wear this thing,
>>> you have 5 parts of your body to attach it to aside from
>>> your torso that doesnt involve a lot of cloth making you
>>> overheat or overtly modifying your persona. Find one
>>> and put it there.
>>>
>>> Now...to make it obvious...Black with a big ole yellow
>>> arrowhead works quite well if you are wearing light
>>> colors. wearing darks? Yellow with a big ole black
>>> arrowhead on it. Just dont wear it to court and the
>>> heralds wont even ask what the heck that thing is.
>>>
>>> The point of all of this? a plain black or yellow scarf
>>> with a big ole arrowhead of the opposite color on it.
>>> Easy to make, goes darn near anywhere you need it to.
>>> Tie it to your bow when its time to leave so you dont
>>> lose it.
>>>
>>> Simple, easy to make, inexpensive
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>>
>>> Karl Thorgeirsson
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________
>>> > From: doug.copley at gmail.com <mailto:doug.copley at gmail.com>
>>> > To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>>> <mailto:ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash Idea
>>> >
>>> > Belt flags do not always work since many people do not
>>> wear a belt. All
>>> > of the options have some problems with them. Some
>>> people want them some
>>> > do not. Each of the options can either be hot or lost
>>> or forgotten. So
>>> > the overall idea may or may not be a good work, but I
>>> still see no
>>> > reason not to try it:-)
>>> >
>>> > I do see it being more beneficial at a LARGE event
>>> than at a small one.
>>> > At a small one, everyone knows everyone and if anyone
>>> walks up that is
>>> > not known, everyone knows it and should immediately
>>> step in to help
>>> > out.
>>> >
>>> > On the larger ones, It could be a good idea to have a
>>> sash or something
>>> > that is visible from a distance so that others can
>>> point you out to
>>> > people. Something like this would be good at Gulf Wars
>>> or maybe a Grand
>>> > Assembly of Archers, which we are hoping to have again
>>> next year!
>>> >
>>> > Vincenti
>>> g
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