[Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow

Fri May 31 07:14:30 PDT 2013

Use paint balls not rocks, they leave a mark. :-)

Francois

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem with Stone Bows is that they shoot rocks so it would be hard to
> score them since they do not stick in the target. Also depending on the size
> and shape of the rock they could damage other arrows.
>
> Vincenti
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Mark Crampton <apwyvern at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> What about 'Stone Bows'?  Not that I've ever seen one at a SCA meet, but
>> I'm sure there are some out there.  I actually have a reprint of a set of
>> instructions on building one (from a '50's Popular Mechanic magazine), so it
>> IS possible!
>>
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>> From: Erwin Simmons <ESIMMONS001 at HOT.RR.COM>
>> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
>> <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Horsebow vs. Longbow
>>
>> Most of the modern horsebows are made with a wooden riser, fiberglass
>> limbs covered with leather and finished with wooden ends.  These fiberglass
>> limbs give the same speed and cast as a horn and wood laminate limb for half
>> or less the cost.  I would allow them.
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2013 11:35 AM, David Cordes wrote:
>>
>> The rules as written appear slightly contradictory on this.  From the 2013
>> IKAC Adult Rules
>> (http://www.scores-sca.org/public/scores_rules.php?R=10&Shoot=157)
>> "Period style recurves and longbows of any material are allowed. Modern
>> style recurves or longbows with full or partial center cut risers are not
>> allowed."
>>
>> But later in the same section of the rules it also states
>> "Period style bows are defined as: Any style of bow that can be documented
>> as used in pre 1600 archery, from Stone age bows to English longbows.
>> Construction materials should be mainly those that were used in period for
>> the making of that style of bow. Modern materials such as synthetic glues,
>> finishes, fibers (strings) or artificial sinew are allowed as long as their
>> use does not give an unfair advantage in performance over period materials.
>> Fiberglass may be used as a substitute for horn and or sinew in the
>> construction of period style recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol,
>> etc., but no modern features such as full or partial center cut handles are
>> allowed. This last is important. Many modern longbows have some center-cut
>> on their handle part (riser in a recurve). If that is the case, the bow is
>> not allowed in the Period division. A protuding shelf resulting from layers
>> of leather on the handle is allowed, however. The bow must have the
>> appearance of a period laminate bow."
>>
>> This implies to me that if the limbs of the bow are wholly fiberglass,
>> even if wrapped in leather or similar, it can't be used in the Period
>> Division.  However a horsebow that is a laminate of wood and fiberglass is
>> acceptable in the Period Division, as long as it doesn't look modern.
>>
>> Asbiorn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 May 2013 11:26, Ld. Cian Rhys Gravenor <metaldog00 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It was my understanding of the IKAC rules what the bow is made of doesn't
>> matter so long as the bow has no center cut in it. I am unable to confirm
>> that due to the fact I can't seem to get to the IKAC rules for some reason.
>> I don't suppose you could post the relevant portion of those rules, could
>> you?
>>
>> Cian
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 30, 2013, at 9:12 AM, "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This question was in regards to Period Shooting and Scoring for IKAC and
>> Royal Rounds and for Period shoots. For open shoots I would allow them no
>> problem. I also tell people that I allow carbon and aluminum arrows to be
>> shot, just not to be scored or to compete for a title.
>>
>> Vincenti
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Erwin Simmons <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you asking for "period" shoots or for all shoots?  For regular shoots
>> most bows are allowed as long as they have no stabilizers and or sighting
>> devices.  I would not allow any of the really newer bow with the magnesium
>> risers etc.  I have seen modern longbows, ie. laminated wood and fiberglass
>> limbs allowed for "period" shooting.
>> A period Magyar or Mongol  horsebow , due to its laminated layered
>> construction would have
>> a distinct advantage over a standard longbow, the longbow being a self
>> bow.  The horsebow was fatster and had better cast.  So for me I would allow
>> it.  I am not currently an archery marshal in Ansteorra, however I was
>> Lieutenant General of archers for the Principality of Drachenwald and I
>> allowed the horsebows.  Cosmetically they look more period also than some
>> bows being shot.
>> That's my take on the question.
>>
>> Ld Eric Bentbow
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2013 7:30 AM, Doug Copley wrote:
>>
>> This brings up a good question: Modern Horse Bows. Wooden riser, no cut
>> out arrow rest, limbs are covered with leather, BUT the limbs are
>> fiberglass. Are they allowed?
>>
>> I have not been allowing them because with the limbs being fiberglass they
>> are gaining an unfair advantage over a longbow made of wood. a 50#
>> fiberglass bow will shoot fast than a 50# wood limb bow.
>>
>> So how is this handled in other kingdoms? I would prefer that we move
>> together and try to get the rules so that they are the same.
>>
>> Vincenti
>> Ansteorra
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Chuck Kaun <jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> OK,
>>
>> I believe its the symbol that you want, who really cares how or where you
>> wear it?  Too hot?  Tabard is out.  Sash would be hot too.  Dont wear a
>> belt?  Tie it around your arm.  You are shooting too and it would be in your
>> way?  Tie it around your leg.  Wear a dress or a tunic?  Make a cool
>> headband that goes around your hat.  Dont wear a hat?  Wear it around your
>> noggin, congratulations you are now a pirate.  Dont want that?
>> OK....obviously you didnt want to wear one...moving on.
>>
>> Simply put there are many many ways to wear this thing, you have 5 parts
>> of your body to attach it to aside from your torso that doesnt involve a lot
>> of cloth making you overheat or overtly modifying your persona.  Find one
>> and put it there.
>>
>> Now...to make it obvious...Black with a big ole yellow arrowhead works
>> quite well if you are wearing light colors.  wearing darks?  Yellow with a
>> big ole black arrowhead on it.  Just dont wear it to court and the heralds
>> wont even ask what the heck that thing is.
>>
>> The point of all of this?  a plain black or yellow scarf with a big ole
>> arrowhead of the opposite color on it.  Easy to make, goes darn near
>> anywhere you need it to.  Tie it to your bow when its time to leave so you
>> dont lose it.
>>
>> Simple, easy to make, inexpensive
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Karl Thorgeirsson
>>
>>
>> _______________________
>> > From: doug.copley at gmail.com
>> > To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash Idea
>> >
>> > Belt flags do not always work since many people do not wear a belt. All
>> > of the options have some problems with them. Some people want them some
>> > do not. Each of the options can either be hot or lost or forgotten. So
>> > the overall idea may or may not be a good work, but I still see no
>> > reason not to try it:-)
>> >
>> > I do see it being more beneficial at a LARGE event than at a small one.
>> > At a small one, everyone knows everyone and if anyone walks up that is
>> > not known, everyone knows it and should immediately step in to help
>> > out.
>> >
>> > On the larger ones, It could be a good idea to have a sash or something
>> > that is visible from a distance so that others can point you out to
>> > people. Something like this would be good at Gulf Wars or maybe a Grand
>> > Assembly of Archers, which we are hoping to have again next year!
>> >
>> > Vincenti
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