<html><head></head><body>I am using golf tubes when I travel out of kingdom.
I had to use them at Lillies War this past June. And I will be using golf
tubes at Estrella War next week. The bow used was 40 lbs. while facing 50
lb bows at Lillies and I had to borrow that one otherwise would have to take
the field with my 30 lb bow. I have thought of using them here within Ansteorra
as a warm-up prior to traveling to out of kingdom war events. <br>
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Eadric Anstapa wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:00ca01c08ff1$056d18a0$650a0a0a@scabrewer.com"><pre wrap="">Actually the Society max for combat crossbows according to the Current<br>Missile Combat Rules (available via the web pages) is 1000 inch-pounds for<br>Golf-tube arrows and 600 inch-pounds for fiberglass or wood shafted arrows.<br><br>I dunno about the 40# thing for golf-tube bows. I have for a long time<br>thought that was interesting. Is anyone in this kingdom using Golf-tube<br>arrows? As siege weapons/ballista are becoming more common it seems like it<br>might be prudent not to allow the use of golftubes with bows and instead<br>just restrict them to siege weapons to avoids confusion.<br><br>-Eadric<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Bob Dewart" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gilli@seacove.net"><gilli@seacove.net></a><br>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org"><ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org></a><br>Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:55 PM<br>Subject: Re: ARCH - Interesting<br><br><br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">I've always wondered about that 40 vs 50lb thing. Why did we shoot<br></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->ourselves<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">in the foot on that on so to speak? I know there aren't very many folks<br>around that use golf tube arrows, but still. If you go some where else<br></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->that<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">uses them, you're at a big disadvantage because your equipment is 20%<br></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->weaker<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">from the start.<br><br>Also, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the Society max for combat crossbows<br>650inch pounds? So why is ours 600? Or do we just like spotting everyone<br>else 50inch pounds?<br><br>Great catch on the footpounds. I guess some times it's the forest for the<br>trees type of thing.<br><br>Gilli<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Eadric Anstapa" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eadric@barley.scabrewer.com"><eadric@barley.scabrewer.com></a><br>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org"><ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org></a><br>Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:11 PM<br>Subject: Re: ARCH - Interesting<br><br><br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Harry C. Billings" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:psobaka@mail.myriad.net"><psobaka@mail.myriad.net></a><br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">IIRC SCA rules take president over Kingdom rules. IOW you measure from<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre wrap="">the<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">riser back to get your 28 inches. If our arrows are 28 inches from the<br>bottom of the knock to the base of the head and our marshals know how<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->to<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">and<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">check bows for draw weight as well as check arrows this is not a<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre wrap="">problem,<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">but should be corrected as expidently as possible.<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">Doesn't really apply here. The MINIMUM standards are set by the<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Society.<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Individual Kingdoms are entitled to me more strict. The way it is<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->worded<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">now, although weird and wrong, is actually more restrictive and limiting<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">on<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">the weight of bow than is the Society standards.<br><br>I really like the way the society standards are written. It is<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->extremely<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">clear how draw length/weight should be measured (28" from center of<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->riser)<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">and how arrow length is to be measured (28" from just behind head/blunt<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->to<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">bottom of slot in nock).<br><br>These are two separate measurements. The length of arrow is limited so<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">that<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">people can not over-draw and get more weight/force/thrust out of their<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->bow<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">and draw length definition is so that there is a clear measurement for<br>checking the 30# or 40# bows. Yep that's right folks the SCA standard<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->for<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Heavy/Golf-tube bows is 50#, the Ansteorran limit is 40#.<br><br>In reading the Ansteorran Complete Participants Handbook more carefully<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">and<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">looking for similar mistakes (Since Gilli brought it up) I see that it<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->is<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">worse than I could imagine.<br><br>Section 6, subsection II. Paragraph A., Subparagraph 2a says:<br><br>a. Have a maximum strength of thirty (30) foot pounds at 28" draw using<br>legal wooden or<br>fiberglass shafted quarrels.<br><br>NOTICE is says 30 FOOT pounds. That is way different than simple<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->pounds.<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Since 28" is 2.33 feet that means that According to the Complete<br>Participants Handbook using this statement and the also included<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">definition<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">of "draw" the maximum draw weight for a bow is Ansteorra as<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->traditionally<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">measured by modern and AMO standards will be 12.86 pounds.<br><br>It seems clear that whoever wrote this was mixing Crossbow and Handbow<br>standards without success. The draw length for a crossbow is measured<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">from<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">the string at rest (not the bow/prod) to the nut (they call this the<br>power-stroke of the bow) and the maximum draw weight for crossbows is<br>expressed in Inch-pounds.<br><br>What is more strange is that I know that there are many marshals out<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">there,<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">myself included, who have read these rules a number of times. Why have<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->we<br></pre>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">not noticed these mistakes before? I guess when you are an experienced<br>marshal and you read these it is easy to read what you know rather than<br></pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">what<br></pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">is actually there.<br><br>Regards.<br><br>Eadric<br></pre></blockquote></blockquote>
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