It seems to me that when there are injurys that result on in HW that the Armor requirements change to help reduce the effects of these injurys, example to reduce hand or arm injurys guantlets and vambraces are required, helms are modified or rquired to be of thicker material to prevent head injurys. why not require helms to be modified with a barrier such as hardware cloth over the face grill to prevent the bouncebacks from entering. But then we are CA and they are HW, and Duke Skullcruser dosent like being an arrow magnet. My humble opinions let the flaming begin. Roger Bagley ============================================================================ Go to http://lists.ansteorra.org/lists.html to perform mailing list tasks.