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<DIV>Ahhh. You do miss the point milord- perhaps due to tunnel vision. I bring the subject up because by the rules a MODERN crossbow with a rifle stock purchased at Academy is perfectly legal to use if the sights are modified just as a non period fiberglas bow with cutout riser is legal to use. But I have yet to see anyone using such a crossbow. Most crossbowmen have avoided use of such for some reason- I would like to think for reasons of honor. </DIV>
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<DIV>There are many things that were period that give an advantage- especially to some. When it reaches a point that some use the rules to take an advantage- perceived or real- then there is no longer a competition and folks quit competing or start complaining until the rules are changed or the competition is eliminated. </DIV>
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<DIV>To me, at least, honor would be to use that which challenges the skill of the archer as opposed to that which guarantees the best score. This is the reason that I will soon retire my modern fiberglas recurve and start shooting more challenging equipment. </DIV>
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<DIV>Arcus Jaque<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: David Ruff <DAVIDSBOX01@YAHOO.COM><BR>Sent: May 22, 2005 11:07 PM <BR>To: jspinks@ix.netcom.com, Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ANSTEORRA-ARCHERY@ANSTEORRA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Warlord Archery mod bods, sights, etc <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I fear people that are not willing to push the envelope and won't think outside the box M'lord Arcus Jaque. Honor to me is a lot of things it is to you, or anyone i suppose. But also it is to try ideas, learn from those ideas and expand on them within the scope of our game, using the ideas of a people from long ago. Perhaps i have it wrong as i have seen it written, and heard it said that documentation is null and void in this titled shoot. A sad day.</DIV>
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<DIV>Me shooting with or without sights is nothing. I shot triple digits today without them as i did with them. Does it matter what form i use?</DIV>
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<DIV>This arguement is like a fighter complaining that someone is using a pike to thier sword. Something that would be deemed unhonorable in my opinion, yet i hear from a select few that me using -------> PERIOD <-------- methods in the game we play is, and could be, construde as unhonorable. </DIV>
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<DIV>Well then i ask you as an arcus what is honor? what is learning? and aren't the arcus suppose to teach both? As top tier shooters, are we supposed to lead the way in idea, form and function? are we not supposed to expand using ------> PERIOD <------- ideas and teach, play and follow those things in a game we enjoy so much? </DIV>
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<DIV>I am no arcus, and i might have that idea wrong, but thats what I feel and follow in my heart. </DIV>
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<DIV>I make my own gear and have a honest desire in my heart to follow in the footsteps of a people from 700 years ago. If that makes me unhonorable on the field of today in a game we play, then i guess i am unhonorable. After all, i am a crossbowman. But none the less proud to be one as it does take skill to score high with a crossbow. If it did not take skill, then everyone would be posting high scores. </DIV>
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<DIV>I look forward to seeing you on the field this weekend and pray we can shoot side by side.</DIV>
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<DIV>Humble regards</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B><I>jspinks@ix.netcom.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Ahh. A most telling jibe Milord Ulrich given your past accomplishments without a sight. It does bring up an interesting point with regard to the honor involved or lack thereof when those with sights compete against those who shoot without and what the measure of skill is. Given some individuals backgrounds as military sharpshooters and a crossbows similarity to a rifle it should be most interesting to see their records with regard to the use of sights or not. Yet at least one individual that I know of does not use sights simply due to the challenge and lack of honor in besting an opponent that does not use them- and yet he scores well with bow or crossbow. I shudder at what one such as he would do given the use of sights. <BR><BR>Arcus Jaque<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Susan Hill <SUEORINTX@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>Sent: May 21, 2005 7:38 PM<BR>To: ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Warlord Archery mod bods, sights, etc<BR><BR>Yeah, too bad your abilities have deteriorated to the point that you need <BR>sights ;)<BR><BR>Lyneya<BR><BR>----Original Message Follows----<BR>From: David Ruff <DAVIDSBOX01@YAHOO.COM><BR>Reply-To: Archery within the Kingdom of <BR>Ansteorra<ANSTEORRA-ARCHERY@ANSTEORRA.ORG><BR>To: fearghus@elfsea.net, Archery within the Kingdom of <BR>Ansteorra<ANSTEORRA-ARCHERY@ANSTEORRA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Warlord Archery mod bods, sights, etc<BR>Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:07:34 -0700 (PDT)<BR><BR>Yup - she said at the meeting today Crossbows will be allowed simple peep <BR>sights in open rule - which she confirmed the titled shoot is going to be <BR>open. Thats all i wanted to hear. My peep sight is now on the bow and tuned <BR>in.<BR><BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Ulrich<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Wes Duke <FEARGHUS@ELFSEA.NET>wrote:<BR>What she said.<BR><BR>Arcus Fearghus MacKenna<BR>Central Regional Archery Marshal<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Susan Hill wrote:<BR><BR>> We are using the Royal Rounds rules as guidelines. Check those. Range<BR>> marks are allowed on bows in open category only. peep sites are not<BR>> allowed. As far as the thumb board, I believe we said that we thought<BR>> it would be allowed, but would have to see it to be certain. It will<BR>> have to be inspected. As far as documentation. Despite some things<BR>> existing in period with documentation, neither the Kingdom nor the<BR>> Society recognizes all of these items, as yet, so it doesn't really<BR>> matter if you have documentation or not if you are planning on<BR>> competing in the Bowman's, Children's, or Steppes Archer tournament.<BR>> If you are planning on competing in the Period Equipment only shoot,<BR>> then bring your documentation with you. A verbal..."they did it in<BR>> period." is not sufficient. Again...read the Royal Round rules and<BR>> Society rules. If it ain't in there, it ain't ok or is subject to the<BR>> opinion of the marshals working the event. That is as clear as it is<BR>> going to get. Yes, there is a certain amount of subjectivity, but that<BR>> is always in all events. One more time..., we are using the Royal<BR>> Round rules for Ansteorra for the guidelines. If you are unclear with<BR>> themafter re reading them, then direct questions to the Kingdom<BR>> Archery Marshal and cc me any responses so that we are all working on<BR>> the same wavelength. You've played this game Ulrich, you know what the<BR>> basic rules are.<BR>><BR>> As far as Master Pug's tips, that has already been addressed.<BR>><BR>> ----Original Message Follows----<BR>> From: David Ruff<BR>> Reply-To: Archery within the Kingdom of<BR>> Ansteorra<BR>> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Warlord Archery mod bods, sights, etc<BR>> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:29:33 -0700 (PDT)<BR>><BR>> So i would assume range marks on bows and a form of kisser button on<BR>> crossbow stocks are not allowed either as they have gone unnoticed in<BR>> the past?<BR>><BR>> Is that also to say that period sights that are documentable such as<BR>> peep sights (which were said to be not allowed), thumb boards etc are<BR>> allowed? there was a ruling in period shoot that the period sights<BR>> were allowed like the thumb board.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Need a clear ruling as i see they are not allowed and then it is said<BR>> to stay period. In my arena of play (crossbows) i can document sights<BR>> where a bow can not - but bows DO show up with range marks on limbs<BR>> and wrapped neatly into strings, decoration etc. If thats not allowed<BR>> what provisions are being made for that? I run screws in my stock in a<BR>> form of a kisser button to give me the same hold on the crossbow every<BR>> shot. Screws can be removed - problem solved - but someone who have<BR>> wrapped thier riser or limb will have to take the bow apart - hardly<BR>> fair or cool to ask in my opinion.<BR>><BR>> Don't get me wrong - i to would hate to see someone asked to step down<BR>> for breaking the rules - especially if they can document the period<BR>> use and follow the rules of open class shooting as it is defined.<BR>> However there needs to be a VERY clear understanding of whats allowed<BR>> and whats not in this tourny and so far i am not seeing that. I think<BR>> most of us (or atleast me) have been perpared thier bow in accordance<BR>> to the rules i have seen thus far and now they are unclear again.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Pug bring your gear i have a ton of tips, i can bring a set of 125gr<BR>> 5/16" or a set of 125gr 11/32" if you need. I will also have some of<BR>> my tools to work on crossbows there and we can take the edge off the<BR>> bodkins if you wish.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ulrich<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Susan Hill wrote:<BR>> Yes this would include non-mounted range finders as well for ALL<BR>> contests.<BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>><BR>> Lyneya<BR>><BR>> ----Original Message Follows----<BR>> From: jspinks@ix.netcom.com<BR>> Reply-To: jspinks@ix.netcom.com, Archery within the Kingdom of<BR>> Ansteorra<BR>> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>> , ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org<BR>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Warlord Archery mod bods, sights, etc<BR>> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:05:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00)<BR>><BR>> I would assume this would include having and using such devices as<BR>> rangefinders even if not mounted on a bow? Such will be the case for the<BR>> Bowmans and Period Archery tourneys.<BR>> Arcus Jaque<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: Susan Hill<BR>> Sent: May 21, 2005 9:42 AM<BR>> To: ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org<BR>> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Warlord Archery mod bods, sights, etc<BR>><BR>> We have allowed 'mod bods' in the past and will allow them this year, as<BR>> well, subject to inspection, of course.<BR>><BR>> A reminder to all archers. No modern range finders, sights, etc are<BR>> permitted on bows. That includes peep sights, kisser buttons, etc. Please<BR>> check the Anstorran Archery webpage for allowable devices. This<BR>> includes all<BR>> divisions including children's. 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