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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>GREETINGS </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>>show them by voting with your feet and don't
compete.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AS LONG AS THEY ANNOUNCE THOSE RESTRICTIONS IN
ADVANCE , I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IT'S WHEN THEY WAIT TILL YOU'VE ALREADY DRIVEN
SEVERAL HOURS , AND PAID SITE AND FEAST FEE'S ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BEFORE THEY ANNOUNCE THEIR " TERMS " </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BE SAFE, BE HAPPY, HAVE FUN</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ARTHUR BLACKMOON </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=paulthorne@earthlink.net href="mailto:paulthorne@earthlink.net">Paul
Thorne</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, 2005 7:11 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] the
future ??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Well, without getting buried
in all the various beliefs and feelings mentioned, here is what I
see as the crux of the situation;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Regardless of the verbiage,
traditions, or anything else, if you are not able to uphold the position of
Champion as dictated by the groups policy then do not compete. It is the
groups right to hold their Champion to certain restrictions, it is their
Champion after all. If you don't like their policy, show them by voting
with your feet and don't compete. By competing in their championship you
are accepting their terms for their Champion. If you falsely accept
their terms and do not fulfill those obligations then your honor will bear the
burden. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jean-Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=davidsbox01@yahoo.com href="mailto:davidsbox01@yahoo.com">David
Ruff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, 2005 12:00
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] the
future ??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>I have to agree with arthur on this one. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Being from Carolingia where i fought heavy list and being from the area
shooting mundane semi pro archery in boston to points north to maine
and east to new york - thier idea of competition (and with no disrespect to
ANYONE) blows our ideas out of the water. Shoot against one of thier best
archers - its very intimidating. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The east coast by nature (carolingia or Boston Proper) is an area that
takes tradition and ones word very seriously. When i said they think "odd"
it wasn't an insult - they think odd as compared to a lot of people. Thier
politics are fierce, they hold honor to a higher level and they are very
competitive no matter what the arena. That is just my opinion of them and
living it for the years i was there. Maybe someone else has a differnet view
of the way they are - im always up for hearing other views. A lot of the
british tradition that reined there hundreds of years ago still carries over
to this day. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>They are very different.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As for the way they are doing the champions agreement - i personally
feel that is bad.....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a game where we can not evade other kingdoms and take land and take
life LIKE OUR medieval history did. I personally believe taking titles and
such away from other kingdoms and baronies - <U>ESPECIALLY when friendly
rivalry is involved</U> is as period as its going to get - or atleast until
we convert to real bodkins and real steel. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I DO</STRONG> believe if you take a title or championship you
better be willing to stand up and live up to whats expected. A lesson that i
personally have lived - and failed at. But i also STRONGLY believe if your
willing to step onto the field you had best shoot your best and <U>shoot to
win</U> or <STRONG>YOUR HONOR means nothing</STRONG>. Why be untrue to
someone shooting against you - testing thier skills against yours. It
is <STRONG>unhonorable to NOT give them your total best</STRONG>
- you do yourself wrong and you do a fellow archer worse. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even in the case of opting out of a final round - i personally would
rather take the person aside and ask them to give me thier best - should i
win, i will bow to them to take the title - i am merely there to
shoot and test my skill, honing any area that is lacking. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My ideas of a champion and someone worthy of taking a title or
championship maybe off, heck lords knows i have been wrong before, but are
as follows. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What it takes to win a championship is disipline, willingness to adapt,
practice, willingness to push the envelope - finding new and better ways to
meet the end goal and <STRONG>willingness to accept defeat and LEARN from
it.</STRONG> A champion is supposed to be the best - hold the top scores and
win what he or she shoots at. <STRONG>It takes thinking, planning and
exicution, not honor when the trigger is pulled or string is loosed.
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In the final rounds when the adrenaline is flowing and the rubber mets
the road <STRONG>- a steady hand is out the window and a keen eye doesn't
have time to focus - it falls back onto knowledge, repetition, adaptation
and disipline. <--- no disrespect ment,</STRONG> this is coming from
being there, and being taught by some of the meanest and best shots in the
world via military, years of teaching level 2 JOAD and competition on the
east coast via semi pro bowhunter class compound release where money was won
or lost in the blink of an eye. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>Bottom line - <U><STRONG>shoot to win or you do those you shoot
against a great dishonor</STRONG></U>. Don't shoot for the loot or titles
and be prepared to serve those you win the championship/title for.
</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>Do that and you are honorable, do it not and you are a prize
shooter. </EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>SIDE NOTE - </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Honor has nothing to do with lining a shot up and loosing on it
- NOTHING at all....... </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>Quite honestly i hear about honor and archery and I am not following
were honor has anything to do with shooting at a target - be it alive or
paper. IN MEDIEVAL times the archer was deemed unhonorable - these words
coming from knights that took lances and rode down unarmed or under armored
people. It even got worst when the crossbows came around and obliterated the
armed person and put holes in people from a hundred yards away. Archers
were unhonorable and thought of that way.... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It was honorable to meet your enemy with a sword or rapier and fight to
first blood or to the death (insert rules here) and witnesses that were
chosen by the two pairing off would watch the fight and determine if honor
was achieved. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Maybe someone can email me or explain honor and how it relates to
SHOOTING and such to me? I know how to be honorable on the field and off,
but not how honor plays into shooting against someone. <U>Its competition
right? you use what you can and what is availible to WIN!</U> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>IN MY OPINION if people would take less time disagreeing and following
as a whole, and more time creating and leading - what a fun community this
would be. To those that create and expand this community - i salute you....
You have my respect and admiration..... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Im happy personally creating and building things that are not seen on
these fields.... that to me makes me a better person. I am the leader, or by
god i will give it my best shot to know 1/2 of the things the leader forgot
and expand on them. If i can reach that i am content. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(no fingers pointed or insults ment if all this offends you -
then i would take a look in the mirror and do some soul searching - we are
all allowed our opinions right?) :) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>Ulrich</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Blackmoon <ld.blackmoon@cox.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>GREETINGS </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AS I SAID TO YOUR ARC DeOR , THIS IS ONE OF
THOSE THINGS WE WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ABOUT .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>>bow out and know that you tested the
other archers to your best ability and that championship was contended for
and not just handed out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BUT TO RESPOND TO YOUR STATEMENT
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AGAIN I SEE THIS FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE , (
ASSUMING FOR THIS DEBATE THAT I HAD WON )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I SEE THAT I WAS GIVEN A WIN ( AND IN THIS
CASE A TITLE ), BECAUSE INSTEAD OF OUTSHOOTING ME , THEY STEPPED DOWN . SO
INSTEAD OF BEING THE BEST ARCHER THERE ON THAT DAY , I'M NOW THE TITLED
ARCHER OF </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>( INSERT GROUP ) THE ALMOST GOOD ENOUGH TO
WIN ARCHER .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>( NOW ASSUMING I HAD STEPPED DOWN ) I
SEE THAT I WILL FROM THAT DAY FORWARD , WONDER IF I COULD HAVE GOTTEN
LUCKY ENOUGH, AND BEEN GOOD ENOUGH TO HAVE ACTUALLY WON THE TITLE OR
TOURNEY , IF ONLY I HADN'T STEPPED DOWN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>SO IN BOTH CASES , I SEE ARCHERS LESS THAN
HAPPY.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BE SAFE, BE HAPPY, HAVE FUN</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ARTHUR BLACKMOON </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=paulthorne@earthlink.net
href="mailto:paulthorne@earthlink.net">Paul Thorne</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom
of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery]
the future ??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I actually find this
quite refreshing and I applaud the efforts of the Baron and Barony of
Carolingia. What better way to put it, if you want to be the
Champion of this Baron, then you will hold yourself to the standards
that he has put forth. I believe that all Champions, whether they
represent the Kingdom or the smallest Canton should hold themselves
to this standard. How can you fullfill the responsibilities of
being a Champion if your loyalties are divided amongst two or more
groups?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> If this is all about
winning and taking home goodies then I think this is the wrong game to
be playing. Don't get me wrong, I love winning (fairly rare, but I
love it none the less) but is not this game we play more than claiming
titles, taking home spoils, racking up wins? There is nothing
wrong with going to events and shooting to win, but if there is a
Championship on the line and you are currently a standing Champion
elsewhere, bow out and know that you tested the other archers to your
best ability and that championship was contended for and not
just handed out. I have not been to a Championship event yet
that has not given the competitors a chance to bow out if they do not
think they can fullfill the duties of Champion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I truly hope that this
<STRONG>is</STRONG> the future of the SCA, where we play for Honor,
Chivalry, and the better understanding of our Medieval
counterparts. I for one plan on using similar verbage in our
upcoming Defender where we will be choosing our Champion.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lord Jean-Paul de Calmont</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Arcarius to HL Eadric Anstapa </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ld.blackmoon@cox.net
href="mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net">Blackmoon</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org">Archery within the
Kingdom of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 30, 2005
7:40 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Ansteorra-archery] the
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>GREETINGS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IS THIS THE FUTURE OF THINGS IN THE SCA
??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>THE BELOW IS FOR A THROWN WEAPONS /
ARCHERY EVENT AT THE BARONIAL LEVEL., IN THE EAST KINGDOM
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>YOU CAN ONLY BE CHAMPION OF YOUR LOCAL
GROUP .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OR IF YOUR NOT AN OFFICER ANYWHERE, YOU
CAN ONLY BE ONE CHAMPION PER EVENT YEAR .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>SINCE GETTING TO COMPETE IS HALF OF WHY I
GO TO ANY EVENT ,I TEND TO SEE THIS AS BAD.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> UNFORTUNATELY , FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN
, THIS POISON IS MOVING INTO ANSTEORRA FROM BOTH COASTS
. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WHAT I FIND INTERESTING , IS THAT IT
SEEMS TO BE CROPPING UP IN ARCHERY / THROWN WEAPONS COMPETITIONS
A LOT MORE THAN IN HEAVY OR LIGHT COMPETITIONS .( CAN YOU SEE TELLING
JOE KNIGHT & THE 3 FIGHTERS HE BROUGHT WITH HIM , WHO JUST DROVE
500 MILES , THAT THEY CAN'T WIN ? )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ANYWAY , BE SAFE, BE HAPPY, HAVE
FUN</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ARTHUR BLACKMOON</FONT></DIV>
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<H3>CHAMPION'S AGREEMENT</H3>1. I consider myself to be a Carolingian,
hold no office or position in any other barony or shire that divides
my loyalties as a champion of Carolingia, and actively participate in
Carolingian activities. <BR><BR>2. It is understood that I may have
personal fealty to individuals and to the crowns of the East in
addition to my loyalties to Carolingia, and that I will resolve any
potential conflicts of these fealties in a way consistent with my
personal honor. <BR><BR>3. During my term I have the duty to defend
and serve the Baron and the Barony of Carolingia, which I will do to
the best of my ability. <BR><BR>4. I will make every effort to attend
Carolingian court and to represent Carolingia on state occasions. I
will try to participate in as many Carolingian Events as possible.
<BR><BR>5. I will fight for the glory and honor of Carolingia whenever
possible and will serve Carolingia against her foes in times of war.
<BR><BR>6. I will strive to be ! an example of courtesy and chivalry,
bringing honor to Carolingia through my actions on the field and my
behavior towards others both on and off the field. <BR><BR>7. It is my
duty to organize the format of the competition for my replacement, and
to ensure that it takes place about one year after my selection.
<BR><BR>8. I will bear the trust of Carolingia, and any champions
regalia with pride, and will conclude my service well.
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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