<DIV>That would be excellant. Would love to have a discussion, in a forum over lunch whatever. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Blackmoon <ld.blackmoon@cox.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WELL SAID !!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP SEVERAL VERY VALID POINTS .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> IS THERE A FORUM AVAILABLE , WHERE BOTH NOBLES AND ARCHERS , COULD DISCUSS THESE AND OTHER POINTS , AND MAYBE REACH A HAPPY MEDIUM ??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A PLACE TO POINT FINGERS OR LAY BLAME FOR ANYTHING , NO YELLING , CUSSING, OR NAME CALLING , JUST A PLACE TO DISCUSS THINGS SEEN BY EITHER SIDE AS A POSSIBLE PROBLEM , AND TO TRY AND FIND SOLUTIONS , THAT WORK FOR BOTH SIDES ..</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>THANX </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BE SAFE, BE HAPPY, HAVE FUN</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ARTHUR BLACKMOON </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ARCARIUS TO ARCUS HL. JAQUE THE SPINK </FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra</A> ; <A title=ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, 2005 12:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] the future ??</DIV>
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<DIV>The various threads on this question are rather interesting. I must echo the point of view that this is simply a game and that if you do not like it then vote with your feet. </DIV>
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<DIV>I do, however, note some interesting points. </DIV>
<DIV>1) The Carolingia event was donations requested and was solely for archery and thrown weapons with baronial court to follow. This suggests a strong level of support and a strong showing of folks at the event that they can even hold it as a stand alone. I have observed that the baron/baroness at some of our events do not even deign to visit the archery championships if there are other events going.</DIV>
<DIV>2) With regard to the discussion about the archers duties to the barony/crown- there is much about the duty of the champion to the eventholder---but what of the eventholder to the champion. From what I have seen it often ends with the award of the regalia (if any), scroll (if any) and prize (if any). Yet here in Ansteorra we sometimes expect the champion to pay his way in to the event after driving from who knows where, possibly organize and run the event, and finally stand in court during whatever time court is going on. I know of only one case where the archery champion was made to feel a part of the local group by being comped to all their events as well as receiving complimentary subscriptions to their newsletter, etc. Were it more common that an archery champion were treated as and made to feel a member of the eventholder group then I suspect that the dicussion might become moot.</DIV>
<DIV>3) as to the issue of stepping down for whatever reason- I have mixed feelings here. On a point based shoot it is quite easy to ask that your score be stricken while still testing your mettle on the field. On a elimination shoot- I stepped down 4 times from Royal Huntsman because I did not feel I could serve- yet in the process I knocked out how many archers that wanted to serve? Not doing my best using the allowed equipment is not possible for myself but to compete while KNOWING that you will bow out also bothers me. Yet as Lord Blackmoon points out- at many events there is only one archery event so if that is your main area of competition- what else is one to do EXCEPT bow out- or not compete? And given what gas costs to travel to an event these days I am going to compete if I attend. </DIV>
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<DIV>As to myself- I did not compete in events while serving as Royal Huntsman except as a bye or where my score could be stricken. I would have a problem serving as Baronial Champion for more than one barony, however and would be hesitant to do so. The same would be true for smaller groups. Perhaps Royal Huntsman should be selected only from those to already hold a championship? Or perhaps there should be an annual honor shoot in which only the local champions compete for the honor of their group? then it might have more meaning than just standing in court. </DIV>
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