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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have tried my best to ignore most of this
rambling discussion. However, when one states a fact and receives a answer
but continues to rave it gets boring. The IKAC and the Ansteorran Royal
Rounds allow a crossbowmen/women to assume just about any position that they
like. As far as I can tell if you want to lie down and shoot there is no
rule against it. Personally I would not bother, kinda hate having to
brush off the dirt and grass not to mention the chance of ants. Know
having said that when entering a tournament for a local group they can damm well
make up whatever rules they want. They are not being sponsored by the RR
or the IKAC. The groups have the option of setting up their tournament the
way they want. If they want to do a RR style shoot but make crossbow
shooters stand they can. Does this disqualify them from submitting scores
NO. All they have done is make the rules slightly stricter. Now if
they are holding a RR after the tournament just to submit scores and they tell
you no sitting tell them to suck wind. Please do it politely if you
would. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pulling a 70 to 80# crossbow in a RR is
tiring? Been know to do it and I can tell a RR is not tiring even after
shooting two or three in a day. Know take yourself to the Ravine battle at
Gulf War and then tell me about tiring. If your back muscles don't reach
up and smack you in the back of the head for being stupid then you have not been
doing anything for the last couple of hours. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it demanding to pull a crossbow? Yes, but
no more difficult to shoot a 50-60# plus bow. A 60# bow is going to be
about 1200 ip while a 130# crossbow at 8-8.5" is only going to at about 1100
ip. Now add in the factor of having to stand up straight and balance for
both but adding having to hold the bow string back adding extra strain while
doing so. Now which just got more difficult and
demanding? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My last suggestion, this one is going to get a
little snippy, is to read the rules again. Nice and slow and make sure you
fully comprehend them. Then put them away and go shoot at a tournament of
your choosing and listen to what the MIC is telling you. Those are the
rules for the tournament, plain and simple. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Iaen Mor</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=davidsbox01@yahoo.com href="mailto:davidsbox01@yahoo.com">David
Ruff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, 2005 10:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Other
fun stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I can see your point....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However it is demanding to pull 80 to 130 lbs every shot. It tires you
out as fast or faster then pulling and holding a 35lb bow. I shoot both and
have tested it. </DIV>
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<DIV>I bring it up as according to the official rules any position is allowed,
however for some reason it is not in the area. Not that it matters, a good
crossbow shooter can shoot in any position - i was merely pointing out how
unwrtten rules exsist. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Try pulling a 70 to 80lb crossbow for a royal - see how your arms feel.
Bows and crossbows both have there weaknesses and there strong points. I have
seen bows shoot kneeling and even sitting. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>But a bow shoots standing becuase that is there most stable way to do
it. </EM></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>By rights a crossbow braces - </DIV>
<DIV>one for recoil (on the stronger bows), </DIV>
<DIV>two becuase a crossbow is about 2 to 5 times heavier then a bow and
</DIV>
<DIV>three becuase it is thier most stable platform to shoot from. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Question...... if sitting is not allowed - well then poles to set the bow
on were very period..... same thing?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Im really not trying to start a fight, rather a look at it. Bows scream
unfair - yet there are things about the crossbow that are over looked. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ulrich</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Susan Hill <sueorintx@hotmail.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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archers are of course accomodated. It arguably gives a crossbowmen <BR>an
advantage to shoot from a sitting or kneeling position because they can
<BR>steady their aim more easily. My personal thing is that it is
<BR>physiologically more tiring to have to stand rather than sit or kneel so
in <BR>a competition, I ask for crossbows to stand so that they don't have
an <BR>advantage over bows in that way. If all archers trained to shoot
sitting and <BR>could do so, I would have no problems requiring all bows or
crossbows to sit <BR>or stand, but for those using the longbow...it could be
a distinct problem, <BR>depending on the length of the bow. We do have
people shoot in competitions <BR>from wheelchairs/scooters, and I have had
one archer use a little stool <BR>because she had problems standing for long
periods. There is no problem <BR>whatsoever in that, but when there! is an
advantage to be had, we attempt to <BR>keep the field as even as possible.
Royal Rounds, by themselves are not <BR>considered competition. When we
shoot them at our practices, Einan, you will <BR>see crossbows kneeling,
sitting, or standing. It is only in competition that <BR>you will see
changes like this.<BR><BR>Lyneya de Grey<BR><BR>----Original Message
Follows----<BR>From: Lady Einin Ciarnait
<LITTLE_DRAGON_0861@YAHOO.COM><BR>Reply-To: Archery within the Kingdom of
<BR>Ansteorra<ANSTEORRA-ARCHERY@ANSTEORRA.ORG><BR>To: Archery within the
Kingdom of Ansteorra <BR><ANSTEORRA-ARCHERY@ANSTEORRA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] Other fun stuff<BR>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:08:33 -0700
(PDT)<BR><BR>OK...why would sitting not be allowed? ( What about those
archers who are <BR>disabled? )<BR><BR>Just a question<BR>Einin<BR><BR>David
Ruff <DAVIDSBOX01@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>I would have guessed that to be the
case. I have not seen it written <BR>anywhere but i imagine its like! the
"rules" allowed shooting in any postion <BR>- but sitting and kneeling isn't
allowed. Altho - changing bows i can <BR>honestly see a REAL advantage in
that. Especially for those that roll there <BR>own.<BR><BR>Have to
understand - i build about 5 to 10 of these things a month - there <BR>are
ones that catch my eye, combos that are insane etc...<BR><BR>To be silly tho
- i can't imagine our forefathers actually made things to <BR>make the task
at hand easier and more precise. Thats just out of the box <BR>thinking
hehehehehe. <--- being silly....
:)<BR><BR><BR>Ulrich<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Harry Bilings
<HUMBLE_ARCHER@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR>I have not read the "rules" lately but
I doubt that you can change <BR>"bow/crossbows" in the middle of a round. I
know that I would not allow it.<BR>plachoya<BR>humble archer<BR>Ravens Fort
Ansteorra<BR><BR><BR>Just tested a fiberglass composite prod that i
made..... Has 13" powerstroke <BR>with a 3" brace. 16 total inches from back
of prod! to teeth.<BR><BR>Wanna talk about some SPEED coming off the
tiller.... MAN!!!!!!! blows my <BR>121lb competition bow out of the
water.<BR><BR>Is pulling 130# at 13" draw, 3" brace and is 30" tip to
tip.... 1690 in/lbs. <BR>Whats better is i have put a modern trigger system
into the medieval stock <BR>complete with safety and auto catch teeth. No
resetting the roller. This <BR>order was extremely weird, but the guy said
trust him... i can see why.... <BR>This is one going out east heheh. It
shoots flat and i mean FLAT out past 40 <BR>yards.<BR><BR>Makes me wonder
what would happen if while shooting an open round royal in <BR>speed round a
50lb pull at 13" draw 3" brace - using light bolts made for <BR>speed and
flat shooting would do.... Cocking it one handed with the auto <BR>reset
catch in it would be a dream. Building another trigger system to try
<BR>that one out. As far as i can see there is no rules to changing bows mid
<BR>royal round - one bow for flat out accuracy and ! range and another for
pure <BR>speed. To
fun.....<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ulrich<BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Ansteorra-archery
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