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Vyolante de Oporto wrote:
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<div>And thank you for your post it was very insightful, but got
another qeustion for you. I ran acrost what I think is the current sca
missile combat book and it said that thrown objects could use schedule
40 pvc pipe...... is that a siloflex equiv or did I read something
wrong? </div>
<div>**its to early for this kind of confusion**</div>
<div>Vy<br>
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This is one of the recent changes that you and your marshals should be
aware of and should be covered during the authorization.<br>
<br>
Keep in mind that the SCA Marshals handbook generally always trumps any
of the subordinate handbooks. And always look at and compare the
publication dates. <br>
<br>
The latest published SCA Missile Combat rules are from June 2000.
They are undergoing a rewrite and republication that is a couple of
years over due. Currently the new rules are in their final stages with
just a few of the finer points being ironed out. I expect new SCA
Missile Combat rules before summer.<br>
<br>
As part of the re-write it was felt that the thrown weapons rules need
to be pulled out of the Missile Combat sub-handbook and put into the
main marshals handbook. This was done because essentially everywhere
ya go there is no special authorization needed for thrown weapons and
people with just basic armored combat authorization can use thrown
weapons. It is also part of the desire to get as much as possible into
a single handbook.<br>
<br>
In the March 2007 printing of the Marshals Handbook the new thrown
weapons rules were published there and those are what we should all be
following. As you have noted there are some pretty significant
changes. Chief among those changes was getting rid of PVC and allowing
rattan hafts/shafts/handles and moving to a double layer requirement
for siloflex handles. These changes really came about as a part of
the thrust and throw javelin experiments a number of years ago and
successive experiments that grew out of that. What the changes allow
for is:<br>
1. Heavier, thrown weapons that hit with more authority. <br>
2. Thrown Weapons that can also be used hand-to-hand.<br>
<br>
So now you can go build a rattan hafted javelin, axe, mace, and if you
construct it properly you can throw it or you can swing, hit, bash, and
poke with it. (if you are authorized to swing, hit, bash and poke).<br>
<br>
No more "pork chops". You can actually build an axe that looks
somewhat like an axe and can be swung OR thrown like an axe.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
-EA<br>
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Eadric Anstapa wrote:
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Vyolante de Oporto wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Greetings!
I don't know if I'm interupting a conversation like this already but thought
I would post a few quick questions.
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Greetings Vyolante,<br>
<br>
Most anyone with a CA Auth, particularly a CA Marshals auth should be
able to help ya with these questions. But let me give it a shot.<span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
<br>
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<pre wrap="">What is a good way to make a throwing axe?
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Siloflex and Foam or Rattan and Foam for axes. Actually I prefer the
Siloflex tennis ball throwing maces because I think they throw better
and hit better. Look at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.argentlupus.com/housestrongbow/tutorials/throwingmace/mace1.htm">http://www.argentlupus.com/housestrongbow/tutorials/throwingmace/mace1.htm</a><br>
<br>
Note the tutorial above only shows one layer think of siloflex for the
handle but the latest society rules require 2.<br>
Got to <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://archery.ansteorra.org">http://archery.ansteorra.org</a>
and look in the manuals and reference section. Then look at the AoB
proceedings for June 2003 and the instructions for a Thrust and Throw
Javelin. That covers making a 5' long double layer siloflex shaft and
then ya just cut it into 5 pieces for axe/mace handles.<br>
<br>
The general guidelines for what is required are it the SCA Marshals
Handbook on page 14 but what it says is:<br>
<font color="#3333ff"><br>
<i>E. Throwing Weapons - These weapons may be used for striking and
may
also be thrown in melee scenarios where thrown weapons are allowed. May
include thrust-and-throw javelins, axes, knives, etc.<br>
</i></font>
<ol>
<li><font color="#3333ff"><i>Shafts shall be constructed of rattan
not less than 1 1/4 (31.8 mm) inch in diameter along its entire length
or of two layers of Siloflex or equivalent. The outer layer shall be 1
inch (25.4 mm) inner diameter Siloflex (1 1/4 inch [31.8mm] OD) and the
inner layer shall be 0.75 inch (19.1 mm) inner diameter Siloflex.</i></font></li>
<li><font color="#3333ff"><i>If Siloflex is used, both ends of the
shaft shall be covered with either a schedule-40 PVC cap with an
interior diameter the same as the outside diameter of the shaft (1 1/4
inch [31.8 mm]), or with a rubber stopper or equivalent means to
prevent the tubing from penetrating the thrusting tip(s), fastened
securely in place by tape and/or glue.</i></font></li>
<li><font color="#3333ff"><i>Thrusting tips shall be used on any
tip
that can be reasonably assumed to contact a fighter when the weapon is
used or thrown. Tips shall be no less than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in
diameter/cross-section and have 2 inches (50.8 mm) of resilient
material in front of the rigid tip of the weapon, thereby providing
progressively resistant give.</i></font></li>
<li><font color="#3333ff"><i>If the weapon has a head, it shall not
be constructed of solely rigid materials. The head shall be firmly and
securely attached to the haft or handle. The head shall allow at least
1/2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give between the striking surface and
the weapon haft or handle.</i></font></li>
<li><font color="#3333ff"><i>The weapon must have the owner’s name,
kingdom, and group clearly and legibly printed on it in English
characters for identification.</i></font></li>
<li><font color="#3333ff"><i>Total mass of the weapon shall not
exceed 2 pounds (0.91 kg).</i></font></li>
</ol>
<br>
Tennis balls laced to the ends are considered equivalents for the
purposes of substituting for rubber stoppers in the same way they are
both considered adequate for use on the end allows/bolts.<br>
<br>
Another key point is that per #3 in the above is that the ya gotta have
something on both ends of the haft/handle. Ya just cant have the raw
end of rattan to Siloflex sticking out the butt end of an axe or mace
that will be spinning end-over-end towards it's target.<br>
<br>
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<pre wrap="">What is a good way to get a bunch of arrows/cross bow bolts done for gulf
war?
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Start at least 6 months before war. Seriously.<br>
<br>
For an archery to be all they can be in the Ravine Battle I continue to
maintain ya need about 150 pieces of ammo. If my archers have less
than that we start running out. Remembers is a res battle so if ya die
ya go back to res point, refill yer quiver, and then go back to killing
spearmen again.<br>
<br>
You should have several dozen for the archers only battle.<br>
<br>
Ya need a couple dozen tops for the field battles.<br>
<br>
For the Fort Battle there is no reinspecting between the two battles so
ya got have enough ammo to make it through both battles. Ya gotta have
enough to attack, and then to defend and that means you have to decide
on a strategy and how and when you are going use them. It's not a res
battle so if you die then it's over for you but if ya live all the way
through both battles and they last a while then you can chew through a
lot of arrows in those 2 battles as well. To be as prepared as I can I
like at least 100 per archer in my unit for that battle but If I was
not part of a unit I would want at least 200 for me. I want to assume
that I will live till near the end of both battles and get a lot of
shots off.<br>
<br>
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<pre wrap="">And where do I get all this stuff quickly and for a good price? (arrow
bolts.... tubes.....etc)
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North Star Archery. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.northstararchery.com/kits.html">http://www.northstararchery.com/kits.html</a>
Erika is super, has the fairest shipping prices and will get it out to
ya as quick as a wink.<br>
<br>
The other place to order would be <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://shop.argentlupus.com/main.sc">
http://shop.argentlupus.com/main.sc</a> Inga is nice, but she's not
Erika.<br>
<br>
The glue for the Asgard APD's generally needs about a week to cure well
up inside the APDs. So if you don't get those APD's glued on QUICKLY a
lot of them might likely to fail inspection at Gulf War unless the APDs
are taped on.<br>
<br>
After you have shopped, consider the the CoSS will have 13 archers at
war with ~180 pieces of ammo per archer and ya understand why I said 6
months.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
-EA<br>
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