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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>greetings</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><FONT face="Times New Roman">The real reason is the
way the Gates Edge event itself is run, not the <BR>archery portion but the
whole event. To win the over-all event <BR>championship a person has to
participate in X number of the individual <BR>championships. Since the
Rapier tournament is during a finite time in <BR>the AM, and the Armored
tournament during a finite time in the PM, <BR>things like Archery and Thrown
weapons kinda have to be open all day so <BR>that people can come down and
participate as they get free from the <BR>other competitions and then go back to
other competitions. To allow <BR>people to come and go that means that
once a target gets setup for the <BR>championship tournament it has to
stay setup right there in that spot so <BR>that we can squeeze them in, in any
order, and the tournament stays the <BR>same for all
shooters.</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>yes, northkeep is much the same , it started out you had
to compete in 2 marshal activities and either a&s or bardic in order to win,
but they later changed it to you have to compete in at least 3 activities one of
which must be a & s or bardic , so now more than heavy fighters can win , as
archery and thrown weapons are 2 different activities , and all people
trying for the castellan position will have their total points ( given for 1st ,
2nd , and 3rd place ) divided by however many activities they participated
in. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>so if you did so so in 3 events , you could beat someone
that did well in 2 activities and poor in 2 activities.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>believe me i know about only having 1 event to hold
archery activities , as northkeeps events are 1 : castellan , camping event =
static champions chosen , 2 : djonader , non camping , off calendar,
demo = war leaders chosen ( usualy in a park where archery is forbidden ) , and
3 : winter kingdom , one day collegeum type classroom event , at a church
school , again, in the city limits , where archery is forbidden )</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><FONT face="Times New Roman">I think a better question
is what prevents more branches from submitting <BR>Royal Rounds at all.
Right now in all of Ansteorra there are really <BR>only 5 branches submitting
scores regularly. Three in the North, one in <BR>Central, and one in
Coastal.</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>there are probably many reasons to be heard as why this
marshal or that group " can't " turn in royal round scores , but i see
it as some marshals just don't really want to plan in advance , or do
paperwork , etc, its much easier to just do " fun shoots " so the marshal can
play too , instead of recording scores , seeing who needs royal round tassels ,
planning away score trips , etc , .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>i believe something i saw on another list may be completly
trueor at least mostly true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>we expect our marshals to be both leaders , and marshals ,
and most people just arent interested in being both, or are just not able
personality wise , to do both jobs. this doesn't mean that they are any less
valuable to the missile community , or the society, it just means that perhaps
we should be looking for leaders to lead , and let the marshals marshal
??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>( ya know , if i keep putting in my 2 pence worth , i'll
be broke by the weekend ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>be safe, be happy, have fun</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>arthur</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=eadric@scabrewer.com href="mailto:eadric@scabrewer.com">Eadric
Anstapa</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom
of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 08, 2008 5:18
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Third
Quarter 2008 Royal Round Keeper Report</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wendel Bordelon wrote:<BR>> I know that the seneca run does
take time. I had the pleasure to<BR>> visit and watch from the side
lines. But for the most part it is not a spectator event. I enjoyed
visiting the people waiting in line for their turn to do the run.<BR>> What
I am curious about is what prevented shooting a RR? It might have been
something for the people not doing the seneca run to do while they waited. You
say that you were equipped to run a RR but it didn't happen. Was it a
lack of marshals?<BR>><BR>> Just curious,<BR>>
--Francois<BR>> <BR><BR>Well not really a lack of
marshals but the Seneca Run certainly takes a <BR>lot out of the
marshals. Think about it, if there was 24 competitors <BR>running
through that several hundred yard course that means 24 times <BR>there was a
marshals running along with them. Add that on top of <BR>however many
times spent walking back and forth to a 100 yd clout and <BR>setting up and
tearing down such a large range area and the marshals are <BR>beat at the end
of the day. It takes the Knights Marshal a small <BR>fraction of the
time to setup his list field as it does the archery <BR>range because we
aren't just plunking down target butts at 20/30/40 yards.<BR><BR>The real
reason is the way the Gates Edge event itself is run, not the <BR>archery
portion but the whole event. To win the over-all event <BR>championship
a person has to participate in X number of the individual
<BR>championships. Since the Rapier tournament is during a finite time
in <BR>the AM, and the Armored tournament during a finite time in the PM,
<BR>things like Archery and Thrown weapons kinda have to be open all day so
<BR>that people can come down and participate as they get free from the
<BR>other competitions and then go back to other competitions. To allow
<BR>people to come and go that means that once a target gets setup for
the <BR>championship tournament it has to stay setup right there in that
spot so <BR>that we can squeeze them in, in any order, and the tournament
stays the <BR>same for all shooters.<BR><BR>If we wanted 5 color FITA targets
to be part of our championship shoot <BR>then we certainly could do that and
have Royal Rounds easily but we <BR>don't want that. We want
something we feel is more challenging, <BR>something more appealing to
us that better reflects the skills we want <BR>our archery champion to have,
and less mundane.<BR><BR>Setting up a range for Royal Rounds to remain static
all day could have <BR>been done but would have required more room on our
part, setting up the <BR>Seneca Run different and meant that many more of the
shooting stations <BR>for the Seneca Run would have been hidden from
spectators and of course <BR>would have been more work for the
marshals.<BR><BR>So, what prevented it? Absolutely nothing other than
the choices we made.<BR><BR>But we are already looking at other choices that
we can make for next <BR>year that might allow more shooting, perhaps Royal
Rounds, for those so <BR>inclined without have to do away with the Clout and
Seneca Run. However <BR>quite honestly if it comes down to Royal Rounds
or no Royal Rounds then <BR>there are likely to be none since that is
something that any branch <BR>should be able to accomplish at their practices
and for our single <BR>calendar event our shire is allowed a year we want
something a little more.<BR><BR>I think a better question is what prevents
more branches from submitting <BR>Royal Rounds at all. Right now in all
of Ansteorra there are really <BR>only 5 branches submitting scores
regularly. Three in the North, one in <BR>Central, and one in
Coastal.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>-EA<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Ansteorra-archery
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