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I don't know about that, Arthur. There is at least one knight that has been posting that is less than thrilled with CA and he is from Ansteorra. At least I sure see his name on the Ansteorran list from time to time. While he isn't as negative as some, he certainly isn't positive, either.<BR>
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<BR><BR><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive">Well-behaved women Seldom make history - <FONT size=1>Laurel Thatcher Ulrich</FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: ld.blackmoon@cox.net<BR>To: debbnglenn@centurytel.net; ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org<BR>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:21:20 -0600<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>first let me say , that while several <STRONG><EM><U>out of kingdom</U></EM></STRONG> kings / dukes / knights have expressed strong desire to see combat archery done away with completely ,or heavily modified , usualy stating that it is for " safety reasons " . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>however , i have to date seen <STRONG><EM><U>no anti combat archery posts made by ansteorran knights !</U></EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>yes , fear can ruin everything, but that sword cuts both ways. over reacting to false statements can cause just as much trouble as making false statements.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>please don't let the words of a few loud nay sayers , prompt anything less than an honorable response . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>remember , our kingdom , doesn't suffer so much from this sad disease.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>i am not very familiar with other kingdoms ways or systems of honor , so i can't say for sure ,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>but just maybe , at least in ansteorra, our people look at " honor and acting honorably " as more than something you swear to do once, and never have to think about again ??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>perhaps putting your own " feelings " aside for the benifit of the kingdom isn't some strange thought brought on by too much drink .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>but who knows ; )</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>keep going to events, keep having fun , the society just changed the combat rules, so i don't see them suddenly dropping combat archery .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>be safe, be happy,have fun</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>arthur</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=debbnglenn@centurytel.net href="mailto:debbnglenn@centurytel.net">Glenn Long</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:55 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>It never fails. Fear ruins everything. I have been doing this for a heck<BR>of a long time and have seen ZERO injuries due to combat archery. I have<BR>seen injuries due to poor helmet fit, bad armor strapping, poor fighting<BR>ability, lack of fitness, poor shield design, and about a dozen other<BR>things. I think what we have is a bunch of "invincibles" who get their<BR>panties in a wad because a lowly "peasant" can take them out with a well<BR>placed shot. Their answer is to make arrows that SUCK! Why don't we just<BR>make our swords out of siloflex too! That way no body can get hurt when<BR>someone strikes them.<BR>This is another example of why the SCA will one day be no better than a<BR>role-playing fantasy group. Maybe we should all carry multi sided dice<BR>and we can just throw them at each other!<BR>Jeez....wussies suck the fun out of everything!<BR><BR>Reinhardt Stahlhelm<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>[mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of<BR><A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:55 PM<BR>To: <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>Subject: Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 31, Issue 27<BR><BR>Send Ansteorra-archery mailing list submissions to<BR><A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR><BR><A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org">http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR><A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR><A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery-owner@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery-owner@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Ansteorra-archery digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: Newest Attack on CA? (Mike Gideon)<BR> 2. Re: Newest Attack on CA? (Mike Wyvill)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:52:51 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: Mike Gideon <<A href="mailto:mg1m@swbell.net">mg1m@swbell.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR><<A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:118443.6889.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com">118443.6889.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR><BR>Lucan's squire was the one struck/injured<BR><BR>Michel<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR>From: Ken Theriot <<A href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A>><BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR><<A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>><BR>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:48:50 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR><BR><BR>Was it Lucan ( East Kingdom ) or Logan (Atlantia)?<BR>?<BR>Kenneth? <BR>?<BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From:Mike Gideon [mailto:mg1m@swbell.net] <BR>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:09 PM<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR>?<BR>But let it be know also that this incident was 2 years ago, and was<BR>never reported to the MIC or CAMIC of the event in Atlantia.I believe.<BR>?<BR>Michel mac Donnchaid<BR>KMM<BR>?<BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From:Mike Wyvill <<A href="mailto:wyvillmike@hotmail.com">wyvillmike@hotmail.com</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:25:55 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR><BR>Sir Kenneth,<BR>?<BR>It's true. There are a few?knights and masters?on the Missile Combat<BR>list, some of whom are advocating a single society standard and that<BR>standard would be tube ammo. In fact some are actually advocating that<BR>we go to a single manufacturer!<BR>?<BR>What is driving this is the fear that a fiberglass shaft will penetrate<BR>a blunt and then someone's eye. I and others have been trying to<BR>reassure them of the safety of fiberglass shafts when wedded to UHMW<BR>blunts. Some have actually come around to a point. Others lofted their<BR>opinions and then left. I have to say, a number of the posters on the<BR>list (CA proponents and anti-CA types) have been less than courteous. <BR>?<BR>Duke Lucan has posted an account by one of his squires stating that he<BR>was struck below his eye by a blunt-less shaft. So those that dislike CA<BR>has an incident to point to. <BR>?<BR>EdV<BR>EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD<BR>Join me <BR>?<BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From: <A href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A><BR>To: <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:58 -0600<BR>Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR>What information does anyone here have on this?? Sir Lyonel just posted<BR>this to the Chiv list.<BR>?<BR>A number of knights in various kingdoms are pressing, lately, to ban<BR>fibreglass shaft ammunition and allow only 100# siloflex bolts and<BR>arrows on the battlefield. <BR>?<BR>I confess that I don?t frequent the SCA-wide lists, so I hadn?t heard of<BR>this until now.? Does this have a chance?? What is driving this?? Lyonel<BR>put a pool out to our list to get the opinion of our chivalry on it<BR>asking just one question??do you agree with this??? I don?t expect many<BR>of the Ansteorran chivalry to support such an idiotic (sorry?to strong a<BR>word?) proposal.? I just wanted to find out what anyone else might know<BR>about it.<BR>?<BR>Thanks.<BR>?<BR>Kenneth<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL:<BR><<A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org/at">http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org/at</A><BR>tachments/20081216/a4f64737/attachment-0001.htm><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:54:29 +0000<BR>From: Mike Wyvill <<A href="mailto:wyvillmike@hotmail.com">wyvillmike@hotmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR>To: <<A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:BAY133-W397EB2A84EBA5863172B74D4F50@phx.gbl">BAY133-W397EB2A84EBA5863172B74D4F50@phx.gbl</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR><BR><BR>Duke Lucan. <BR><BR><BR><BR> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me<BR><BR>From: <A href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.comTo">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.comTo</A>:<BR><A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.orgDate">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.orgDate</A>: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:48:50<BR>-0600Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Was it Lucan (East Kingdom) or Logan (Atlantia)?<BR> <BR>Kenneth <BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From: Mike Gideon [mailto:mg1m@swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16,<BR>2008 3:09 PMTo: Archery within the Kingdom of AnsteorraSubject: Re:<BR>[Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR> <BR><BR><BR>But let it be know also that this incident was 2 years ago, and was<BR>never reported to the MIC or CAMIC of the event in Atlantia.I believe.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>Michel mac Donnchaid<BR><BR>KMM<BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From: Mike Wyvill <<A href="mailto:wyvillmike@hotmail.com%3ETo">wyvillmike@hotmail.com>To</A>:<BR><A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.orgSent">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.orgSent</A>: Tuesday, December 16, 2008<BR>2:25:55 PMSubject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?Sir<BR>Kenneth, It's true. There are a few knights and masters on the Missile<BR>Combat list, some of whom are advocating a single society standard and<BR>that standard would be tube ammo. In fact some are actually advocating<BR>that we go to a single manufacturer! What is driving this is the fear<BR>that a fiberglass shaft will penetrate a blunt and then someone's eye. I<BR>and others have been trying to reassure them of the safety of fiberglass<BR>shafts when wedded to UHMW blunts. Some have actually come around to a<BR>point. Others lofted their opinions and then left. I have to say, a<BR>number of the posters on the list (CA proponents and anti-CA types) have<BR>been less than courteous. Duke Lucan has posted an account by one of<BR>his squires stating that he was struck below his eye by a blunt-less<BR>shaft. So those that dislik<BR> e CA has an incident to point to. EdV<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me<BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR>From: <A href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.comTo">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.comTo</A>:<BR><A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.orgDate">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.orgDate</A>: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:58<BR>-0600Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Newest Attack on CA?<BR><BR>What information does anyone here have on this? Sir Lyonel just posted<BR>this to the Chiv list.<BR> <BR>A number of knights in various kingdoms are pressing, lately, to ban<BR>fibreglass shaft ammunition and allow only 100# siloflex bolts and<BR>arrows on the battlefield. <BR> <BR>I confess that I don?t frequent the SCA-wide lists, so I hadn?t heard of<BR>this until now. Does this have a chance? What is driving this? Lyonel<BR>put a pool out to our list to get the opinion of our chivalry on it<BR>asking just one question??do you agree with this?? I don?t expect many<BR>of the Ansteorran chivalry to support such an idiotic (sorry?to strong a<BR>word?) proposal. 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