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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>greetings</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> Start
times. I can’t off the top of my head think of an event that actually
started on time. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>see some of my previous posts , also , i've benn coniving
with lawrence of the green woods, and that is a major part of it .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and breaking up the set up / inspection / start time is an
excellent idea .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Get
announced at court, even for non-titled events.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>this isnt always doable , often , instead of calling me
into court to announce the winners it becomes a " back page item " mentioned
quickly after the 15 min of hearing how valliant and brave the heavy fighters
were in their tourney .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Start
adding a newcomer tournament, at least at some events</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>actually through better planning and time managment, we
should be able to do multiple tourneys a day , title / champion grade shoot, and
either a childs or novice grade shoot with time for a royal round after, we
could also do , say if there was no title shoot , do a child shoot, a novice
shoot, and an ikac on sat, and an ickac on sun morn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><FONT color=#1f497d>It isn’t much fun as a new archer
to shoot six arrows and be eliminated immediately,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>depends , i still enter the royal huntsman , for the shear
joy of shooting against other top flight archers, some of whom could swat me
like a fly even when i was in top form , but every time , its to test my self
against them , did i last even 1 arrow more ? did i maybe outshoot them in some
small aspect of the overall shoot ? it gives me a goal to shoot for ( no pun
intended ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><FONT color=#1f497d>with no additional chance to
shoot.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>thats why open ranges and archery practice are your
friends ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><FONT color=#1f497d>This also removed the intimidation
factor for newer archers who might not come out and shoot against the old
pros.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>but ya know , almost everyone of those " old pro's " would
stop shooting in an instant to assist about anyone that asks??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and , all us " old pro's " started out the same
frustrated nubie ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Can
we do court announced winners </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>see above</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><FONT color=#1f497d>and small prize baskets for any
competition or only titled competition?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>ok, strait up, this may be one of the problems
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>for children , an arm guard or glove may be useful ,
same for novices , at the title winning level , archers usualy need archery
supplies, shafts, points , etc . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>for the most part , most prizes , just get passed on to be
someone elses prizes ,or thrown in a box , sorry i only have 2 arms so i can't
wear all 7 bracers , i don't want to say how many nice period looking
selfbows have been won by novice archers , and then shoved into a closet, or a
garage . if your going to beg ,borrow, or buy a nice prize , make sure the
recipient will use it ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>scrolls , nice scrolls , not water colored by your neice /
nephew , etc . that can be framed give far more recognition than any
prizes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>novice and child scrolls / prizes can be given in court,
or on the range , prize shoots are normaly given on the range , but it would be
better if in court. thing to remember , most people at event want to go party
after court, so anything that extends court can be looked at badly , so for
court presintations , please be accurate and speedy ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Have
more joint baronial practices</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>as was started last fall , some of the groups in the north
plan on doing a monthly or bimonthly ( depending on events and weather ) roving
missile practice to all of the norther region baronies , as well as possibly
other bordering groups . ( i even have an invite from a group in central mo =
)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>hope this helped ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>be safe, be happy, have fun</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>arthur </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=shell.atwood@gmail.com href="mailto:shell.atwood@gmail.com">Shell
Atwood</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=tex_yankee2004@yahoo.com
href="mailto:tex_yankee2004@yahoo.com">tex_yankee2004@yahoo.com</A> ; <A
title=ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">'Archery within the
Kingdom of Ansteorra'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] [Mm] How
to increase TA, TW, and CA</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This
is one of the things I love about archery, that anyone can do it. My
mother and aunt came out one day, and despite numerous health conditions and
recent surgeries, they shot and had a blast. We can’t all get onto the
list field and take the physical damage, but for those that want to
participate in a martial sport, archery is there for all. I love seeing
the kids up there shooting alongside experienced archers and our older members
*<B>cough</B>* like Grandpa Vincenti. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">We
can’t really do anything about the logistics – it takes a lot of space and
that space is often on the outskirts of the camp. There are some things
we do control though. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> Start
times. I can’t off the top of my head think of an event that actually
started on time. Yeah, I know, SCA time and all that – but we need to remember
that we are off in BFE and there’s nothing for folks to do while they stand
around waiting, unlike around the list field, and it isn’t as though they can
just pop off to their tent for a few minutes. Instead of lumping
inspection, setup and the shoot all into a 10 a.m. start time, we should
separate that out like the fighters do. Inspection and setup at 10a.m.,
shoot starts at 11. The start time is what we advertise to spectators –
and we start on time. Setup can really suck for the marshal if there’s
no one to help out, further delaying us. Instead of milling about, we
need to get inspected and see what we can do to help out.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Get
announced at court, even for non-titled events. Make sure the site
herald knows about us, the start time and what we’re doing, and keep him (or
her) updated during the event so he’ll keep heralding
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Start
adding a newcomer tournament, at least at some events. It isn’t much fun
as a new archer to shoot six arrows and be eliminated immediately, with no
additional chance to shoot. And while there are often royal rounds or
IKACs scheduled for later, the thrill of competition is still a draw, even if
you can’t hit the broadside of the barn. This also removed the
intimidation factor for newer archers who might not come out and shoot against
the old pros.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><SPAN
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Can
we do court announced winners and small prize baskets for any competition or
only titled competition? If we can do it for every competition, we
should. If each archer in the barony made only one item to donate, we’d
have prizes to hand out to the child, newbie and experienced archer at each
event for a year.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Have
more joint baronial practices – Namron’s reciprocal joint practices with
Eldern Hills were great. We had huge turn out and it really was more of
an event than a practice. We had a lot of new archers come play, tons of
folks watching and visiting. I would love to see us do something like
that on a regular basis, rotating practices around to the three or four
closest baronies every three or four months.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Guess
that pretty much empties my brain of thoughts – time to go fill it up
again!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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ansteorra-archery-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Patrick R<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] [Mm] How to increase TA, TW, and
CA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The logistical problems with archery are something we
are going to have to live with. Even when ranges are available closer to
the main activities we are going to be last on the list to get them. A
simple face we will have to deal with since we are considered the bottom
of the list for many things in the SCA. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>What we do have as our advantage is that we can be
much more inclusive in the people participating. For the last two years
in the <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bryn-gwlad fall</SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3f3f3f; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
</SPAN></B>baronial we have tried to get the maximum participation
possible. In addition to the tournament held at the end of the day we
opened the range to people who wanted to try their hand at archery. We
do have an advantage over other activities for doing this. It needs to
be announced and announced often. We placed notices at gate and had
people going around making sure everyone knew about the range (OK I
begged a lot of people to come by the first year). The result is that
each year we had over 50 people participate and over 25 of them shot in
the competition. It offered people who were participating in other
events to take some time that they had available and come join us. The
results speak for themselves, several people who never tried archery
went out and purchased their own bows and equipment and are now part of
our community. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>For my two cents, the key is to make it attractive
for people to try and they may find that they like it. Sometimes parents
bring their children over and find that they like it as well. It makes
for a busy day for the people running the range but it is worth the
work. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Dante<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 1/13/09, Jed Tressler
<I><jed.tressler@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">From: Jed Tressler
<jed.tressler@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] [Mm]
How to increase TA, TW, and CA<BR>To: "Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>Date:
Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 10:24 AM<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV id=yiv294662540>
<P class=MsoNormal>Instead of trying to conquerer the
logistics of a wagon, why not make an effort to put the ranges closer to
the rest of the event? Some sites will make this impossible,
obviously, but I have attended several events where the range is off in
BFE, where you had to walk through half a mile (exaggerated) of suitable
range to get to it. Scoot that sucker up a bit. It may mean
investing in more safety line, but that will be cheaper than
renting a wagon/paying for gas and the like. This would be
especially true for Thrown weapons, where the necessary safety zone
is (usually) much smaller. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Speaking of thrown weapons, somebody mentioned that
if there were multiple throwers on the line, than each
would require there own marshal. I can't find this in
the rules, can somebody point me to it?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I think an additional factor we may not be keen on
considering is the relative ratio of participating individuals to total
event size. My experience is that a large proportion of the people
who sit and watch an activity (any activity) are connected personally to
somebody who participates in the activity. So the more
participants, the more spectators. If 1/3 of the people at an
event are fighters of some kind, and only 1/4 are archers, there will be
more people at the list field than at the range, both due to the number
of participants, and there attending personal connections. We
could use this a bit to our advantage. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>We could emphasize the importance of an
archers inspiration, have archers perform salutes, give dual awards
to competitor and consort, even pander a bit and award largess
for best list pavilion set up, etc. We, as archers, also need to
ask our friends to come watch us shoot.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Finally, I would like to offer that "all-day" tourney
designs, while fun for us, do not engender attendance from
non-participants. Because of safety concerns, no matter how close
we can get the firing-line to the rest of the event, watching an archery
competition will always mean facing away from everything else that is
going on. Often it means being completely separated from
the event. Conversely, watching the rapier tourney usually means
being in the middle of everything, and often you're at the list even
when you're not paying attention to the fight. Peoples attention
span will not hold very long (most college students have a max attention
span of 20 min. and there on the high side of the curve). The
ideas mentioned about making the range attractive, having snacks,
heralds, interesting formats all combat this, but if you ask them to sit
for hours on end, while they miss the rest of the event, even strong
personal connections are going to be hard pressed to keep there butts in
the seats.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I think a good strategy would be to pick your best,
most climactic portion of the days shoot and push to get people there
for that. Try and get it scheduled in an empty part of the
day (no use trying to compete if you don't have too) .
Get the site heralds to make a big deal of it.
Petition the presiding royals to attend. Ask all your
friends to come support you. And try to time the whole thing to be
over in about an hour. You wont see most of the attendees any
other time in the day, but big deal, they came to the big tourney.
The fighting equivalent is pick-ups after.
People don't sit around and watch the fighters
practice with each other when the tourney is over, even when they are on
the center field.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Just my $1.25.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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