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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>well said, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>thats where more marshals helps a lot, were lucky here in
the north to have a high number of active marshals .= )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>be safe, be happy, havefun</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>arthur</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=tex_yankee2004@yahoo.com
href="mailto:tex_yankee2004@yahoo.com">Patrick R</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom
of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] [Mm] How
to increase TA, TW, and CA</DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>The logistical problems with archery are
something we are going to have to live with. Even when ranges are
available closer to the main activities we are going to be last on the
list to get them. A simple face we will have to deal with since we are
considered the bottom of the list for many things in the SCA. </FONT>
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face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>What we do have as our advantage is
that we can be much more inclusive in the people participating. For the
last two years in the </FONT><SPAN
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size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">baronial we have tried to get the
maximum participation possible. In addition to the tournament held at
the end of the day we opened the range to people who wanted to try their
hand at archery. We do have an advantage over other activities for doing
this. It needs to be announced and announced often. We placed notices at
gate and had people going around making sure everyone knew about the
range (OK I begged a lot of people to come by the first year). The
result is that each year we had over 50 people participate and over 25
of them shot in the competition. It offered people who were
participating in other events to take some time that they had available
and come join us. The results speak for themselves, several people who
never tried archery went out and purchased their own bows and equipment
and are now part of our community. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">For my two cents, the key is to make
it attractive for people to try and they may find that they like it.
Sometimes parents bring their children over and find that they like it
as well. It makes for a busy day for the people running the range but it
is worth the work. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 1/13/09, Jed Tressler
<I><jed.tressler@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Jed Tressler <jed.tressler@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] [Mm] How to increase TA, TW, and CA<BR>To:
"Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
<ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>Date: Tuesday,
January 13, 2009, 10:24 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv294662540>Instead of trying to conquerer the
logistics of a wagon, why not make an effort to put the ranges closer
to the rest of the event? Some sites will make this impossible,
obviously, but I have attended several events where the range is off
in BFE, where you had to walk through half a mile (exaggerated) of
suitable range to get to it. Scoot that sucker up a bit.
It may mean investing in more safety line, but that will
be cheaper than renting a wagon/paying for gas and the like.
This would be especially true for Thrown weapons, where
the necessary safety zone is (usually) much smaller.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Speaking of thrown weapons, somebody mentioned that if there were
multiple throwers on the line, than each would require there
own marshal. I can't find this in the rules, can somebody point
me to it?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I think an additional factor we may not be keen on considering is
the relative ratio of participating individuals to total event size.
My experience is that a large proportion of the people who sit
and watch an activity (any activity) are connected personally to
somebody who participates in the activity. So the more
participants, the more spectators. If 1/3 of the people at an
event are fighters of some kind, and only 1/4 are archers, there will
be more people at the list field than at the range, both due to the
number of participants, and there attending personal connections.
We could use this a bit to our advantage. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We could emphasize the importance of an archers
inspiration, have archers perform salutes, give dual awards
to competitor and consort, even pander a bit and award
largess for best list pavilion set up, etc. We, as archers, also
need to ask our friends to come watch us shoot.</DIV>
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<DIV>Finally, I would like to offer that "all-day" tourney designs,
while fun for us, do not engender attendance from non-participants.
Because of safety concerns, no matter how close we can get the
firing-line to the rest of the event, watching an archery competition
will always mean facing away from everything else that is going on.
Often it means being completely separated from the
event. Conversely, watching the rapier tourney usually means
being in the middle of everything, and often you're at the list even
when you're not paying attention to the fight. Peoples attention
span will not hold very long (most college students have a max
attention span of 20 min. and there on the high side of the curve).
The ideas mentioned about making the range attractive, having
snacks, heralds, interesting formats all combat this, but if you ask
them to sit for hours on end, while they miss the rest of the event,
even strong personal connections are going to be hard pressed to keep
there butts in the seats.</DIV>
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<DIV>I think a good strategy would be to pick your best, most
climactic portion of the days shoot and push to get people there for
that. Try and get it scheduled in an empty part of the day
(no use trying to compete if you don't have too) . Get
the site heralds to make a big deal of it. Petition the
presiding royals to attend. Ask all your friends to come support
you. And try to time the whole thing to be over in about an
hour. You wont see most of the attendees any other time in
the day, but big deal, they came to the big tourney. The
fighting equivalent is pick-ups after.
People don't sit around and watch the
fighters practice with each other when the tourney is over, even when
they are on the center field.</DIV>
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<DIV>Just my $1.25.</DIV>
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