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I will come to support my barony. I will not participate because I can no longer draw my recurve due to a shoulder injury. If it were in another group, I wouldn't spend the money on the gas. <div><br></div><div>Iago<br><div><div>On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Ken Theriot wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks Arthur! I seem to have read all these replies in reverse order, so though I was certain I was going to limit it to “hand-bows” (thanks for the question there) only on the target shoots, I’m also getting a hint that some cross-bow people might feel excluded if we do that. Sigh. I definitely want this to be fun AND as inclusive as can be. And we want ALL the shoots to be happen (safely;)) in the view of spectators in a “gallery” area. The more different stuff that is going on, it seems to me, the more confusing it would be for the gallery. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Since I haven’t made the decision yet, maybe I could take a poll of cross-bow target folks on this list to see how many WOULDN’T come to the event if we made it hand-bow only, but who otherwise WOULD have come. If that number is low or non-existent, I’ll probably stay with the hand-bow only. But if 5 or 6 archers say they’re not coming due to the exclusion, I would look at including cross-bow. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">You don’t have to post it here. Feel free to e-mail me at <a href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</a> if you’d like.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Oh, and again I want to make it clear that the armored combat archery WILL include cross-bows as usual. Just in case there was any question.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks again!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Kenneth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> ld.blackmoon [<a href="mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net">mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net</a>] <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 16, 2009 5:27 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood TargetArcheryCompetitions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">greetings </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the target competitions (we’ll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">would that be long bow as in longbow only ? or longbow as in longbow / recurve ?? or some variant ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled in “regular” target competitions? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">themed shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing is ,as you stated , some people prefer one style over the other , some like myself are trying to master as many styles as we have equipment . anyway , the key is to try to ballance your shoots so that no single style has all of the advantages . normaly one shoot will be given over to he " theme " of the event , normaly the title shoot.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really should publish the details well in advance .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target and distance wouldn’t they?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">only if you plan it that way ...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">there are 4 very easy ways to handicap crossbows to help ballance a shoot in target archery.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">1. timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than recurve or longbow</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">2. distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances , not so well at unknown distances</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to get " zeroed in " if they dont know the distance , this takes shots to do , most crossbow archers will need aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a realy good crossbowman zero in 2 shots</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">4, cold shoot = remember almost all archers like the advantage of having a known distance , and will pace off the targets if given the chance .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">there are also ways to " handicap " longbow / recurve archers as well , it mainly lies in knowing " how " each bow type operates .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Am I off-base here? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">that would be for you to decide , just remember to try to keep archery as an " inclusive " activity , and not an exclusive activity.bad feelings cause people to avoid events they would otherwise attend .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">crossbow envy is usualy caused because marshals don't understand how crossbows work .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I don’t have the competition experience to know for sure what to do here</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">the bottom line is, have fun , if you are the marshal in charge , its your shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety issue , or a nobility issue </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">( you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at 9 am or his magesty wishes to watch x activity , but wont be available till 3pm )</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be closed for safety issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety issues.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the the fun, safety, and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and spectators at your event .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">></span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Any input appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts may ( and probably will ; ) vary .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">good luck on your event !!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">be safe, be happy, have fun</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial">arthur</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style="font-color:black"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com" title="kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">Ken Theriot</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">To:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" title="ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Friday, January 16, 2009 12:50 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target ArcheryCompetitions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hey Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I was at our event planning meeting last night and talking about the archery competitions. There will be several “novelty-shoots” for target archery, but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted to ask the experts about something. I’m relatively new to target (though I’ve been doing CA regularly for a few years). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the target competitions (we’ll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow. I know cross-bows existed in this period, but it just isn’t in the “idiom” (zeitgeist?) of Robin Hood. Also, there is currently a set number of archery prizes…one for overall target archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for “in-armor-actually-fighting” CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into two (one for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a lot harder to do. However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled in “regular” target competitions? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target and distance wouldn’t they? It would make sense to me that the two types of weapons would have to either have their own competitions, or have different distances for the same target. Regardless of either situation, it seems like it would be exponentially difficult, given our full schedule, to have both weapons in the target archery competition. Am I off-base here? Honestly, though I have participated in several “fun” shoots at SCA events, have set up a range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I don’t have the competition experience to know for sure what to do here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Any input appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Kenneth <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org">http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt"><br> No virus found in this incoming message.<br> Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">http://www.avg.com</a> <br> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1897 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 6:52 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </blockquote> </div><p><font size="2" face="Arial">No virus found in this incoming message.<br> Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">http://www.avg.com</a><br> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 6:52 AM<br> </font></p><div><font size="2" face="Arial"> </font> <br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Ansteorra-archery mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org">http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>