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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Arthur! I seem to have read
all these replies in reverse order, so though I was certain I was going to
limit it to “hand-bows” (thanks for the question there) only on the
target shoots, I’m also getting a hint that some cross-bow people might
feel excluded if we do that. Sigh. I definitely want this to be fun
AND as inclusive as can be. And we want ALL the shoots to be happen
(safely;)) in the view of spectators in a “gallery” area. The
more different stuff that is going on, it seems to me, the more confusing it
would be for the gallery. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since I haven’t made the decision
yet, maybe I could take a poll of cross-bow target folks on this list to see how
many WOULDN’T come to the event if we made it hand-bow only, but who
otherwise WOULD have come. If that number is low or non-existent, I’ll
probably stay with the hand-bow only. But if 5 or 6 archers say they’re
not coming due to the exclusion, I would look at including cross-bow. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You don’t have to post it
here. Feel free to e-mail me at <a
href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</a> if
you’d like.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh, and again I want to make it clear that
the armored combat archery WILL include cross-bows as usual. Just in case
there was any question.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks again!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kenneth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> ld.blackmoon
[mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 16, 2009
5:27 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Ansteorra-archery]
Question About Sherwood TargetArcheryCompetitions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>greetings </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is a Robin Hood
themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the target competitions
(we’ll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA stuff AND the CA
stuff in the morning) to long bow.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>would that be long bow as in longbow only ? or longbow
as in longbow / recurve ?? or some variant ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However, I know there are
folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target.
How is this handled in “regular” target
competitions? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>themed shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing
is ,as you stated , some people prefer one style over the other , some like
myself are trying to master as many styles as we have equipment . anyway
, the key is to try to ballance your shoots so that no single style has all of
the advantages . normaly one shoot will be given over to he " theme "
of the event , normaly the title shoot.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really
should publish the details well in advance .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cross-bows would have a
huge advantage over long bows for the same target and distance wouldn’t
they?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>only if you plan it that way ...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>there are 4 very easy ways to handicap crossbows to
help ballance a shoot in target archery.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>1. timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than
recurve or longbow</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>2. distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances
, not so well at unknown distances</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to get " zeroed
in " if they dont know the distance , this takes shots to do , most
crossbow archers will need aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a
realy good crossbowman zero in 2 shots</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>4, cold shoot = remember almost all archers like the
advantage of having a known distance , and will pace off the targets if given
the chance .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>there are also ways to " handicap " longbow /
recurve archers as well , it mainly lies in knowing " how " each bow
type operates .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Am I off-base here? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>that would be for you to decide , just remember to try to
keep archery as an " inclusive " activity , and not an exclusive activity.bad
feelings cause people to avoid events they would otherwise attend .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>crossbow envy is usualy caused because marshals don't
understand how crossbows work .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t have the
competition experience to know for sure what to do here</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>the bottom line is, have fun , if you are the marshal
in charge , its your shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety
issue , or a nobility issue </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>( you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at 9 am or
his magesty wishes to watch x activity , but wont be available till 3pm )</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be
closed for safety issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety
issues.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the
the fun, safety, and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and
spectators at your event .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Any input appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts
may ( and probably will ; ) vary .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>good luck on your event !!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>be safe, be happy, have fun</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>arthur</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com" title="kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">Ken
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org"
title="ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">'Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, January
16, 2009 12:50 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
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[Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target ArcheryCompetitions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hey Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I was at our event planning meeting last
night and talking about the archery competitions. There will be several
“novelty-shoots” for target archery, but I got to thinking
afterward that I wanted to ask the experts about something. I’m
relatively new to target (though I’ve been doing CA regularly for a few
years). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as
such, I was hoping to limit the target competitions (we’ll be doing
target stuff with both the regular TA stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to
long bow. I know cross-bows existed in this period, but it just
isn’t in the “idiom” (zeitgeist?) of Robin Hood. Also,
there is currently a set number of archery prizes…one for overall target
archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for
“in-armor-actually-fighting” CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA
prize into two (one for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a
lot harder to do. However, I know there are folks who prefer the
cross-bow, or even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled
in “regular” target competitions? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cross-bows would have a huge advantage
over long bows for the same target and distance wouldn’t they? It
would make sense to me that the two types of weapons would have to either have
their own competitions, or have different distances for the same target.
Regardless of either situation, it seems like it would be exponentially
difficult, given our full schedule, to have both weapons in the target archery
competition. Am I off-base here? Honestly, though I have
participated in several “fun” shoots at SCA events, have set up a
range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I don’t have the competition
experience to know for sure what to do here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Any input appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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