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<DIV>does anyone have a link to a map or the complete address of the place where the NRFP is being held on Sat.?</DIV>
<DIV>I can mapquest it if needed, but i need the address. I'm coming from the Noble/Norman area so any directions from there would be great!<BR> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial black" color=#ff0000 size=4><EM>Len Billett</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org" <ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:51:01 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 32, Issue 24<BR></FONT><BR>Send Ansteorra-archery mailing list submissions to<BR> <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR> <A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org" target=_blank>http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>or, via email, send a
message with subject or body 'help' to<BR> <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR> <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery-owner@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery-owner@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery-owner@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Ansteorra-archery digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: Cross-Bows WILL Be Welcome at the<BR> SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions! (Ken Theriot)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:50:53 -0600<BR>From: "Ken Theriot" <<A
href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com" ymailto="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Cross-Bows WILL Be Welcome at the<BR> SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions!<BR>To: "'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'"<BR> <<A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <EA735A3A2285481AA26F058B62565711@SuperComputer><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Thanks Iago! That's the kind of thing I was looking for. <BR><BR><BR><BR>I've received a number of responses privately as well. And based on<BR>everyone's input I will say with certainty (this time for sure;)) that<BR>cross-bows WILL be involved in the target archery at our event. I suspected<BR>that excluding one
type of weapon might not be kosher, which is why I wanted<BR>to ask the folks on this list, most of whom have much more target archery<BR>experience than I do. It has been quite an education;). <BR><BR><BR><BR>I still have to clear some things with some other folks in the barony before<BR>I put anything out through official channels as to the specifics (how we'll<BR>arrange for parity, etc.). But I CAN promise that cross-bows will be<BR>welcome at our event! If there is one thing we WANT to do here, it is to<BR>encourage archery in Ansteorra. That is the point of this event. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks again for all your input!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Kenneth<BR><BR><BR><BR> _____ <BR><BR>From: Greg Coffman [mailto:<A href="mailto:baroniago@earthlink.net" ymailto="mailto:baroniago@earthlink.net">baroniago@earthlink.net</A>] <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:04 PM<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About<BR>SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions<BR><BR><BR><BR>I will come to support my barony. I will not participate because I can no<BR>longer draw my recurve due to a shoulder injury. If it were in another<BR>group, I wouldn't spend the money on the gas. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Iago<BR><BR>On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Ken Theriot wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks Arthur! I seem to have read all these replies in reverse order, so<BR>though I was certain I was going to limit it to "hand-bows" (thanks for the<BR>question there) only on the target shoots, I'm also getting a hint that some<BR>cross-bow people might feel excluded if we do that. Sigh. I definitely<BR>want this to be fun AND as inclusive as can be. And we want ALL the shoots<BR>to be happen (safely;)) in the view of spectators in a "gallery" area. The<BR>more different stuff that is going on, it seems to me,
the more confusing it<BR>would be for the gallery. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Since I haven't made the decision yet, maybe I could take a poll of<BR>cross-bow target folks on this list to see how many WOULDN'T come to the<BR>event if we made it hand-bow only, but who otherwise WOULD have come. If<BR>that number is low or non-existent, I'll probably stay with the hand-bow<BR>only. But if 5 or 6 archers say they're not coming due to the exclusion, I<BR>would look at including cross-bow. <BR><BR><BR><BR>You don't have to post it here. Feel free to e-mail me at<BR><A href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com" ymailto="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A> if you'd like.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Oh, and again I want to make it clear that the armored combat archery WILL<BR>include cross-bows as usual. Just in case there was any question.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks again!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Kenneth<BR><BR><BR><BR>
_____ <BR><BR>From: ld.blackmoon [mailto:<A href="mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net" ymailto="mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net">ld.blackmoon@cox.net</A>] <BR>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:27 PM<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood<BR>TargetArcheryCompetitions<BR><BR><BR><BR>greetings <BR><BR><BR><BR>>This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the<BR>target competitions (we'll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA<BR>stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow.<BR><BR>would that be long bow as in longbow only ? or longbow as in longbow /<BR>recurve ?? or some variant ?<BR><BR>>However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it<BR>exclusively for target. How is this handled in "regular" target<BR>competitions? <BR><BR>themed shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing is ,as
you<BR>stated , some people prefer one style over the other , some like myself are<BR>trying to master as many styles as we have equipment . anyway , the key is<BR>to try to ballance your shoots so that no single style has all of the<BR>advantages . normaly one shoot will be given over to he " theme " of the<BR>event , normaly the title shoot.<BR><BR>if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really should publish the<BR>details well in advance .<BR><BR>>Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target<BR>and distance wouldn't they?<BR><BR>only if you plan it that way ...<BR><BR>there are 4 very easy ways to handicap crossbows to help ballance a shoot in<BR>target archery.<BR><BR>1. timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than recurve or longbow<BR><BR>2. distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances , not so well<BR>at unknown distances<BR><BR>3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to
get " zeroed in " if they dont<BR>know the distance , this takes shots to do , most crossbow archers will need<BR>aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a realy good crossbowman<BR>zero in 2 shots<BR><BR>4, cold shoot = remember almost all archers like the advantage of having a<BR>known distance , and will pace off the targets if given the chance .<BR><BR><BR><BR>there are also ways to " handicap " longbow / recurve archers as well , it<BR>mainly lies in knowing " how " each bow type operates .<BR><BR>>Am I off-base here? <BR><BR>that would be for you to decide , just remember to try to keep archery as an<BR>" inclusive " activity , and not an exclusive activity.bad feelings cause<BR>people to avoid events they would otherwise attend .<BR><BR>crossbow envy is usualy caused because marshals don't understand how<BR>crossbows work .<BR><BR>>I don't have the competition experience to know for sure what to do here<BR><BR>the bottom line is,
have fun , if you are the marshal in charge , its your<BR>shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety issue , or a<BR>nobility issue <BR><BR>( you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at 9 am or his magesty wishes<BR>to watch x activity , but wont be available till 3pm )<BR><BR>no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be closed for safety<BR>issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety issues.<BR><BR>but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the the fun, safety,<BR>and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and spectators at<BR>your event .<BR><BR><BR><BR>>Any input appreciated.<BR><BR>ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts may ( and probably<BR>will ; ) vary .<BR><BR><BR><BR>good luck on your event !!<BR><BR><BR><BR>be safe, be happy, have fun<BR><BR>arthur<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR><BR>From: Ken <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com" ymailto="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A>> Theriot <BR><BR>To: 'Archery within the Kingdom of<BR><mailto:<A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>> Ansteorra' <BR><BR>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:50 PM<BR><BR>Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood Target<BR>ArcheryCompetitions<BR><BR><BR><BR>Hey Everyone,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I was at our event planning meeting last night and talking about the archery<BR>competitions. There will be several "novelty-shoots" for target archery,<BR>but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted to ask the experts about<BR>something. I'm relatively new to target (though I've been doing CA<BR>regularly for a few years). <BR><BR><BR><BR>This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was
hoping to limit the<BR>target competitions (we'll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA<BR>stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow. I know cross-bows<BR>existed in this period, but it just isn't in the "idiom" (zeitgeist?) of<BR>Robin Hood. Also, there is currently a set number of archery prizes.one for<BR>overall target archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for<BR>"in-armor-actually-fighting" CA. If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into<BR>two (one for cross-bow, and one for long-bow), it will make things a lot<BR>harder to do. However, I know there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or<BR>even shoot it exclusively for target. How is this handled in "regular"<BR>target competitions? <BR><BR><BR><BR>Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for the same target<BR>and distance wouldn't they? It would make sense to me that the two types of<BR>weapons would have to either have
their own competitions, or have different<BR>distances for the same target. Regardless of either situation, it seems<BR>like it would be exponentially difficult, given our full schedule, to have<BR>both weapons in the target archery competition. Am I off-base here?<BR>Honestly, though I have participated in several "fun" shoots at SCA events,<BR>have set up a range, and am an authorized TA marshal, I don't have the<BR>competition experience to know for sure what to do here.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Any input appreciated.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Kenneth <BR><BR><BR> _____ <BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org"
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